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Wyrdness said:
areason said:

I don't play P, both ways a pylon and a couple of batteries in their natural or outside of it and you're going to have the cost of a nexus and more. And that's without looking at an early stargate or robo which means earlier gases and less minerals, and without looking at added production which again costs minerals. You don't know what a cheese is, a 4-5 minute push with roach/ravager is not a cheese, but instead an early push. A cheese would be anything that involves a proxy, or something like DT blink. It's like saying that a 2-1-1 terran 4 minute push is a cheese. I'm not contradicting yourself you just don't know what you're on about, a roach rush has a later timing then a 12 pool rush. Roach/ravager does not hit before any of your units are ready, unless you are going for a greedy build.

If you're bad and you die to cheese every time you need to learn how to scout, and how to react, instead of being mad and raging at the balance of the game. 

What parting does on ladder is irrelevant, you don't see protos players cheesing every game vs Zerg or even doing it often. The most common thing to do right now is an archon drop for harass. Has is the best cheeser in the professional scene and he's had 1 good run in all his WCS events in the past 4 years. 

Ravager rushes hit at the 3 minute mark well done you just proved my entire point on your views on the ladder congratulations.

I don't play Protoss either yet know the values and costs of each unit you know why? Because it's required in understanding and debating balance that's no excuse what so ever, let me highlight how all over the shop your post here is you say a 4-5 minute push or attack is not cheese then go on to say DT blink is cheese despite that hitting at the 4 minute mark and then compare Ravager rushes to 2-1-1 pushes which hit at the 6-7 minute mark again do not reply to me with this non sense as you've proven you're more of a viewer of SC2 than someone who plays it often. Cheese is a fast all in attack simple as that.

You say scout guess what Protoss can hide tech anywhere on the map and tech like Twilight council can have 4 different types of attack when scouted and each require different responses, you can't scout what attack is coming you have to guess and the Protoss can deviate from the attack due to the added flexibility the econ gives. Let me get this straight you bring up Has but what Parting a far superior player does is irrelevant? Nice side stepping the argument you have no response for. I'll tell you again don't respond why this nonsense.

Mate if you 12 pool and roach rush your first roaches will come around 2:30-2 :45. To walk across the map and morph some ravagers you would get a timing of around 3:30. And that is only with your first couple of units. 

A 2-1-1 1base all in hits around 4 minutes with 20 supply. 

If you're being cheesed, then the tech is near your base. So you don't have to search all of the map for it, instead you just search a couple of key spots. Meanwhile you should stop drone production, through down a roach warren, get a spine maybe and get an extra queen. And early on you're not going to have options other then a gateway/robo/stargate units.Spines and lings are good against 2/3 of that. Protos isn't going to deviate from a cheese, they're not going to build a proxy stargate and not use it at all. And if they cancel it after you get out of vision and maybe through down a robo, that is time lost which delays their push. 

Parting is a retired ex best player in the world who smurfs, it is irrelevant what he does. If protos could cheese and expand and win every game like you said that would be happening at the pro scene, but it doesn't. Even SOS who is known for cheesing a lot hasn't been doing well. 



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areason said:
Wyrdness said:

Ravager rushes hit at the 3 minute mark well done you just proved my entire point on your views on the ladder congratulations.

I don't play Protoss either yet know the values and costs of each unit you know why? Because it's required in understanding and debating balance that's no excuse what so ever, let me highlight how all over the shop your post here is you say a 4-5 minute push or attack is not cheese then go on to say DT blink is cheese despite that hitting at the 4 minute mark and then compare Ravager rushes to 2-1-1 pushes which hit at the 6-7 minute mark again do not reply to me with this non sense as you've proven you're more of a viewer of SC2 than someone who plays it often. Cheese is a fast all in attack simple as that.

You say scout guess what Protoss can hide tech anywhere on the map and tech like Twilight council can have 4 different types of attack when scouted and each require different responses, you can't scout what attack is coming you have to guess and the Protoss can deviate from the attack due to the added flexibility the econ gives. Let me get this straight you bring up Has but what Parting a far superior player does is irrelevant? Nice side stepping the argument you have no response for. I'll tell you again don't respond why this nonsense.

Mate if you 12 pool and roach rush your first roaches will come around 2:30-2 :45. To walk across the map and morph some ravagers you would get a timing of around 3:30. And that is only with your first couple of units. 

A 2-1-1 1base all in hits around 4 minutes with 20 supply. 

If you're being cheesed, then the tech is near your base. So you don't have to search all of the map for it, instead you just search a couple of key spots. Meanwhile you should stop drone production, through down a roach warren, get a spine maybe and get an extra queen. And early on you're not going to have options other then a gateway/robo/stargate units.Spines and lings are good against 2/3 of that. Protos isn't going to deviate from a cheese, they're not going to build a proxy stargate and not use it at all. And if they cancel it after you get out of vision and maybe through down a robo, that is time lost which delays their push. 

Parting is a retired ex best player in the world who smurfs, it is irrelevant what he does. If protos could cheese and expand and win every game like you said that would be happening at the pro scene, but it doesn't. Even SOS who is known for cheesing a lot hasn't been doing well. 

I'll prove you wrong in one easy step here, from streamer Pig himself with a video analysing the build from games of various pros doing the build notice how by 2:20 mark 2 Ravagers are already on the field heading for the opponent's base and in the video especially between the 10 minute mark of the video he goes over Soo vs TY and guess what Ravagers are hitting at 3 minutes (2:50 to be exact) proving your whole argument here wrong this is something you can't deny in anyway and mind you this is the 14 pool variant so the 12 pool variant hits even faster.

Doing cheeses like DTs doesn't require the tech to be near your base it can be at the corner of the map because gateway units are warped in at pylons, you can search key areas and not see anything but see a Council at your opponents base and because the are 3 other possible attacks that can come off that tech you're left guessing what the build is, this part of your post further highlights you don't ladder often as Immortal zealot destroys spines and lings and why are you going to build those if your opponent goes Stargate when they can't hit air either. To top it off adepts can be in two places at once you throw down spines and they simply phase past them and lings get ripped apart by adepts especially with the glaive upgrade on the council.

Parting is not retired he currently plays in GSL and played in both this and last season, weren't you the one touting it as the best league? Under your own argument this puts him above Has, SOS is also active in GSL as well and is in Group D of the RO16 he even topped his group in the previous round. As for 2-1-1 again from Pig himself, note how the Terran leaves their base at 4:51 they'll arrive at their opponents base at the 5:40 - 6 minute mark not the 4:00 mark as you claimed. Nothing more to say here.

Last edited by Wyrdness - on 17 August 2018

Overwatch on the Switch would be fantastic, I think I'd rebuy it just for the portability. Though my internet on my device has been somewhat sketchy if if not in close proximity to our router, so that would be something I'd have to consider..

But yeah Overwatch is probably my most played game of the generation despite my being a Nintendo fan first and foremost. I always found it odd that such a Nintendo-esque game is nowhere to be found on a Nintendo console, especially one as popular as Overwatch.



 

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Wyrdness said:
areason said:

Mate if you 12 pool and roach rush your first roaches will come around 2:30-2 :45. To walk across the map and morph some ravagers you would get a timing of around 3:30. And that is only with your first couple of units. 

A 2-1-1 1base all in hits around 4 minutes with 20 supply. 

If you're being cheesed, then the tech is near your base. So you don't have to search all of the map for it, instead you just search a couple of key spots. Meanwhile you should stop drone production, through down a roach warren, get a spine maybe and get an extra queen. And early on you're not going to have options other then a gateway/robo/stargate units.Spines and lings are good against 2/3 of that. Protos isn't going to deviate from a cheese, they're not going to build a proxy stargate and not use it at all. And if they cancel it after you get out of vision and maybe through down a robo, that is time lost which delays their push. 

Parting is a retired ex best player in the world who smurfs, it is irrelevant what he does. If protos could cheese and expand and win every game like you said that would be happening at the pro scene, but it doesn't. Even SOS who is known for cheesing a lot hasn't been doing well. 

I'll prove you wrong in one easy step here, from streamer Pig himself with a video analysing the build from games of various pros doing the build notice how by 2:20 mark 2 Ravagers are already on the field heading for the opponent's base and in the video especially between the 10 minute mark of the video he goes over Soo vs TY and guess what Ravagers are hitting at 3 minutes (2:50 to be exact) proving your whole argument here wrong this is something you can't deny in anyway and mind you this is the 14 pool variant so the 12 pool variant hits even faster.

Doing cheeses like DTs doesn't require the tech to be near your base it can be at the corner of the map because gateway units are warped in at pylons, you can search key areas and not see anything but see a Council at your opponents base and because the are 3 other possible attacks that can come off that tech you're left guessing what the build is, this part of your post further highlights you don't ladder often as Immortal zealot destroys spines and lings and why are you going to build those if your opponent goes Stargate when they can't hit air either. To top it off adepts can be in two places at once you throw down spines and they simply phase past them and lings get ripped apart by adepts especially with the glaive upgrade on the council.

Parting is not retired he currently plays in GSL and played in both this and last season, weren't you the one touting it as the best league? Under your own argument this puts him above Has, SOS is also active in GSL as well and is in Group D of the RO16 he even topped his group in the previous round. As for 2-1-1 again from Pig himself, note how the Terran leaves their base at 4:51 they'll arrive at their opponents base at the 5:40 - 6 minute mark not the 4:00 mark as you claimed.

Mate that is a build without a queen and without a 2nd hatch, and did you even watch the game. Major didn't bother scouting, if you scout with a drone and see that their is no hatch then you're against a 1 base zerg with no queen and you win. 

Mate Parting is retired, he had military service, went away for 2-3 years, he did partake lately in season 3 of gsl but he couldn't get past the round of 32. He's in the bottom 7 of wcs points in korea(their's about 35 koreans) and he doesn't participate in international tournaments.

Even if you don't find a dark shrine, Terran has scans, Zerg has to protect spore crawlers (both ways you're going to have a spore either way to protect against stargate openeings), and Protos should have a robo or stargate by then so all you need to do is force field the ramp till a oracle/observer comes out. Mate lings are good against immortals, and spines are good against gateway units, all you are doing is picking and choosing and acting silly. 

If you're opponent goes for a early stargate you have queens and spores, it isn't a proxy often, but a early sg is something that happens very often and it never does more then force a few spores and kill a few drones. 

How is adept harassing a problem, it isn't, queens and lings can still take care of them, and lol you're not going to have problems chasing adept shades on creep. You're making it sound like Protos is destroying Zerg at the moment which isn't true if you're paying attention to the pro scene. 

Mate Has more prize money wins in the last month then Partin has in the last 2 years. And the point was that an ex pro player tearing up the ladder on a smurf with cheese doesn't mean anything. 

Did you read what i said? The 2-1-1 video isn't a once base push, it's a stim harass timing against Z. 

You should stop watching cheese start videos and instead play the game. Their isn't a strategy in the game that is perfect and that will every time. 



areason said:

Mate that is a build without a queen and without a 2nd hatch, and did you even watch the game. Major didn't bother scouting, if you scout with a drone and see that their is no hatch then you're against a 1 base zerg with no queen and you win. 

Mate Parting is retired, he had military service, went away for 2-3 years, he did partake lately in season 3 of gsl but he couldn't get past the round of 32. He's in the bottom 7 of wcs points in korea(their's about 35 koreans) and he doesn't participate in international tournaments.

Even if you don't find a dark shrine, Terran has scans, Zerg has to protect spore crawlers (both ways you're going to have a spore either way to protect against stargate openeings), and Protos should have a robo or stargate by then so all you need to do is force field the ramp till a oracle/observer comes out. Mate lings are good against immortals, and spines are good against gateway units, all you are doing is picking and choosing and acting silly. 

If you're opponent goes for a early stargate you have queens and spores, it isn't a proxy often, but a early sg is something that happens very often and it never does more then force a few spores and kill a few drones. 

How is adept harassing a problem, it isn't, queens and lings can still take care of them, and lol you're not going to have problems chasing adept shades on creep. You're making it sound like Protos is destroying Zerg at the moment which isn't true if you're paying attention to the pro scene. 

Mate Has more prize money wins in the last month then Partin has in the last 2 years. And the point was that an ex pro player tearing up the ladder on a smurf with cheese doesn't mean anything. 

Did you read what i said? The 2-1-1 video isn't a once base push, it's a stim harass timing against Z. 

You should stop watching cheese start videos and instead play the game. Their isn't a strategy in the game that is perfect and that will every time. 

It's without a Queen and second hatch so? The video showed the build is very much viable even in high level play and Soo even used early lings to throw off scouting you've been proven wrong here with video evidence accept it this can't be argued, most people don't scout early against Zerg because they don't expect anything other than a expand otherwise the Zerg is all in, people often wait for the reaper to do that. Mate Parting is in the GSL so no he's not retired anymore again and has been active this year, all Koreans have military service Bomber just finished his as did MMA it's nothing new for them to do that then return, many Korean pros don't take part in international tournaments.

If you're a Terran with bad macro then yeah you'll have scans saved early on but then your economy will be behind from not having mules this is another example of you not grasping the game's fundamentals, throwing down spores and crawlers sacrifices drones that is indirect economic damage as drones need to be rebuilt. You clearly have no clue on the ladder do you Immortal Zealot is the common comp because charged got buffed and was made cheaper the result is Protoss players get a tonne of Zealots with few other units like Immortals which itself was changed in how it works, the Immortal adds dps while the Zealots kill all the lings while tanking what happens is your army gets killed while more Zealots warp in and they bust through the spines with support of the Immortal's fire power this is made worse by the introduction of the SB, seriously what race do you play and what league for a start as a lot of what you're saying makes little sense to what goes on in the ladder and competitively.

We're talking about all ins not little two adept harassment, adepts with glaives beat lings hard and they can phase pass static defence if someone does a glaive adept all in and all you have as units are lings you're dead because they skin the lings then kill all your workers. Considering Parting only came back this year from the military and can only compete in GSL due to region locking and GSL's infrequence compare to other tournaments he would have made more but then under that logic Serral has made more money than Maru in the past 5 months but earlier you were saying those tournaments don't matter compared to GSL again another contradictory statement.

A one base push is the fastest push you can do and it couldn't be done in the 4 minutes you claimed so a two based push stands no chance of hitting that timing either sorry the proof is right here mate these are concrete factors you can never deny as it's a set thing in reality, I already play the game hence how I knew you were talking complete bullocks with your claims and was backed up by actual in game footage from pros and streamers you should take your own advice and actually play the game.



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SpokenTruth said:
Starcraft 64 is the ONLY StarCraft game to release on a console. It's quite the stretch to expect SCII on any console period.

Interesting that 50% of titles in the StarCraft franchise having a console iteration also means that another one is exceedingly unlikely.

 

I think this has less to do with track record and more about RTS just not working sans a mouse.



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SpokenTruth said:
Azuren said:

Interesting that 50% of titles in the StarCraft franchise having a console iteration also means that another one is exceedingly unlikely.

 

I think this has less to do with track record and more about RTS just not working sans a mouse.

SC and SCII don't mean there are only 2 games.  They've had expansion packs and a remaster to the extent that calling it just 2 games doesn't quite work.  

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DarthMetalliCube said:

But yeah Overwatch is probably my most played game of the generation despite my being a Nintendo fan first and foremost. I always found it odd that such a Nintendo-esque game is nowhere to be found on a Nintendo console, especially one as popular as Overwatch.

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A round of Overwatch fits in perfectly with a cup of coffee... So it's been my go-to all generation long.



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forest-spirit said:

Starcraft II on Switch doesn't make any sense but Overwatch would be a welcome addition, and if it happens I certainly wouldn't mind if Zero Suit Samus just happened to be in it.

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It is really is beyond silly that Overwatch isn't already on Switch; it's a no brainer, it would be perfectly at home on the system and sell great.

Honestly, I think it would be a good idea for Nintendo themselves to make a first party FPS along the lines of Overwatch and Paladins; obviously don't copy those games exactly, put their own unique spin on it, but such a game could easily become a Splatoon-esque breakout hit.