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Wyrdness on 17 August 2018
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areason said:
Wyrdness said:

Ravager rushes hit at the 3 minute mark well done you just proved my entire point on your views on the ladder congratulations.

I don't play Protoss either yet know the values and costs of each unit you know why? Because it's required in understanding and debating balance that's no excuse what so ever, let me highlight how all over the shop your post here is you say a 4-5 minute push or attack is not cheese then go on to say DT blink is cheese despite that hitting at the 4 minute mark and then compare Ravager rushes to 2-1-1 pushes which hit at the 6-7 minute mark again do not reply to me with this non sense as you've proven you're more of a viewer of SC2 than someone who plays it often. Cheese is a fast all in attack simple as that.

You say scout guess what Protoss can hide tech anywhere on the map and tech like Twilight council can have 4 different types of attack when scouted and each require different responses, you can't scout what attack is coming you have to guess and the Protoss can deviate from the attack due to the added flexibility the econ gives. Let me get this straight you bring up Has but what Parting a far superior player does is irrelevant? Nice side stepping the argument you have no response for. I'll tell you again don't respond why this nonsense.

Mate if you 12 pool and roach rush your first roaches will come around 2:30-2 :45. To walk across the map and morph some ravagers you would get a timing of around 3:30. And that is only with your first couple of units. 

A 2-1-1 1base all in hits around 4 minutes with 20 supply. 

If you're being cheesed, then the tech is near your base. So you don't have to search all of the map for it, instead you just search a couple of key spots. Meanwhile you should stop drone production, through down a roach warren, get a spine maybe and get an extra queen. And early on you're not going to have options other then a gateway/robo/stargate units.Spines and lings are good against 2/3 of that. Protos isn't going to deviate from a cheese, they're not going to build a proxy stargate and not use it at all. And if they cancel it after you get out of vision and maybe through down a robo, that is time lost which delays their push. 

Parting is a retired ex best player in the world who smurfs, it is irrelevant what he does. If protos could cheese and expand and win every game like you said that would be happening at the pro scene, but it doesn't. Even SOS who is known for cheesing a lot hasn't been doing well. 

I'll prove you wrong in one easy step here, from streamer Pig himself with a video analysing the build from games of various pros doing the build notice how by 2:20 mark 2 Ravagers are already on the field heading for the opponent's base and in the video especially between the 10 minute mark of the video he goes over Soo vs TY and guess what Ravagers are hitting at 3 minutes (2:50 to be exact) proving your whole argument here wrong this is something you can't deny in anyway and mind you this is the 14 pool variant so the 12 pool variant hits even faster.

Doing cheeses like DTs doesn't require the tech to be near your base it can be at the corner of the map because gateway units are warped in at pylons, you can search key areas and not see anything but see a Council at your opponents base and because the are 3 other possible attacks that can come off that tech you're left guessing what the build is, this part of your post further highlights you don't ladder often as Immortal zealot destroys spines and lings and why are you going to build those if your opponent goes Stargate when they can't hit air either. To top it off adepts can be in two places at once you throw down spines and they simply phase past them and lings get ripped apart by adepts especially with the glaive upgrade on the council.

Parting is not retired he currently plays in GSL and played in both this and last season, weren't you the one touting it as the best league? Under your own argument this puts him above Has, SOS is also active in GSL as well and is in Group D of the RO16 he even topped his group in the previous round. As for 2-1-1 again from Pig himself, note how the Terran leaves their base at 4:51 they'll arrive at their opponents base at the 5:40 - 6 minute mark not the 4:00 mark as you claimed. Nothing more to say here.

Last edited by Wyrdness - on 17 August 2018