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areason on 17 August 2018
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Wyrdness said:
areason said:

I don't play P, both ways a pylon and a couple of batteries in their natural or outside of it and you're going to have the cost of a nexus and more. And that's without looking at an early stargate or robo which means earlier gases and less minerals, and without looking at added production which again costs minerals. You don't know what a cheese is, a 4-5 minute push with roach/ravager is not a cheese, but instead an early push. A cheese would be anything that involves a proxy, or something like DT blink. It's like saying that a 2-1-1 terran 4 minute push is a cheese. I'm not contradicting yourself you just don't know what you're on about, a roach rush has a later timing then a 12 pool rush. Roach/ravager does not hit before any of your units are ready, unless you are going for a greedy build.

If you're bad and you die to cheese every time you need to learn how to scout, and how to react, instead of being mad and raging at the balance of the game. 

What parting does on ladder is irrelevant, you don't see protos players cheesing every game vs Zerg or even doing it often. The most common thing to do right now is an archon drop for harass. Has is the best cheeser in the professional scene and he's had 1 good run in all his WCS events in the past 4 years. 

Ravager rushes hit at the 3 minute mark well done you just proved my entire point on your views on the ladder congratulations.

I don't play Protoss either yet know the values and costs of each unit you know why? Because it's required in understanding and debating balance that's no excuse what so ever, let me highlight how all over the shop your post here is you say a 4-5 minute push or attack is not cheese then go on to say DT blink is cheese despite that hitting at the 4 minute mark and then compare Ravager rushes to 2-1-1 pushes which hit at the 6-7 minute mark again do not reply to me with this non sense as you've proven you're more of a viewer of SC2 than someone who plays it often. Cheese is a fast all in attack simple as that.

You say scout guess what Protoss can hide tech anywhere on the map and tech like Twilight council can have 4 different types of attack when scouted and each require different responses, you can't scout what attack is coming you have to guess and the Protoss can deviate from the attack due to the added flexibility the econ gives. Let me get this straight you bring up Has but what Parting a far superior player does is irrelevant? Nice side stepping the argument you have no response for. I'll tell you again don't respond why this nonsense.

Mate if you 12 pool and roach rush your first roaches will come around 2:30-2 :45. To walk across the map and morph some ravagers you would get a timing of around 3:30. And that is only with your first couple of units. 

A 2-1-1 1base all in hits around 4 minutes with 20 supply. 

If you're being cheesed, then the tech is near your base. So you don't have to search all of the map for it, instead you just search a couple of key spots. Meanwhile you should stop drone production, through down a roach warren, get a spine maybe and get an extra queen. And early on you're not going to have options other then a gateway/robo/stargate units.Spines and lings are good against 2/3 of that. Protos isn't going to deviate from a cheese, they're not going to build a proxy stargate and not use it at all. And if they cancel it after you get out of vision and maybe through down a robo, that is time lost which delays their push. 

Parting is a retired ex best player in the world who smurfs, it is irrelevant what he does. If protos could cheese and expand and win every game like you said that would be happening at the pro scene, but it doesn't. Even SOS who is known for cheesing a lot hasn't been doing well.