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Jumpin said:
jason1637 said:

I trust them more than Russia. Also Trump literally is the head of the Intelligence agencies. 

In addition. Is that o_O guy suggesting the US engages in child warfare and kills children?
Also, it is literally the Republican party who invaded the middle east, the Republican party is the one who declared war. The very party Trump is in charge of.

Now he is putting the whole operation in the hands of Russian, actually inviting Russian intelligence over to the US in order to investigate them.

Is America great yet?

He actually back peddled on this a few hours ago saying he now disagrees with letting Russians interrogate Americans. Trump says one this and another thing a few hours later lol.



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o_O.Q said:
Wyrdness said:

Well your President backtracked and said he now does.

fair enough but what about you? do you trust the creep peddling drugs to your children? that's the question

I'm not American but in the EU we've had a history of Russian operatives poisoning people who disagree with the higher ups so it's safe to say many of us would trust our own countries before their Government let alone any other Country's. Your own intelligence agencies may have a shady history, most western countries' intel organisations do, but best believe as corrupt as they are their interests are closer to your own than any third party and that's the point.

CIA flooded the country with drugs now imagine what Putin would do that's what it comes down to.



o_O.Q said:

here's a question for you... why do you trust the claims about russian hacking?

i've posted evidence of government agencies and the media covering up the selling of drugs to your children, the murder of your children in wars based on lies, the stealing of your money to fund people who would love to blow you to smitherines

and you trust these people? why? are you some type of masochist?

what is different about the claims of russia when we think back to iraq or numerous other examples where they made up endless total bullshit to justify engaging in conflict with other countries?

I trust the claims because there is absolutely no reason to distrust them at this time.  The funny part is that the person you are supporting also support those claims or he would not have walked back his statements.  Its one thing if only one division of the government supported the Hacking claims but you have every part of the government including the President in which he is being investigated for supporting those claims.

My question to you is why would you distrust the Russian hacking.  Is there some evidence out there that proves it was someone else, some rogue nation or rogue group you name it.

I will agree that the US is no fairytale princess.  The US has brought into power and brought down people in power for its own interest.  If you can give a good reason why we would accuse Russia of doing something for a particular end goal then it would make things easier to see where you are going.  If your whole line is that government is corrupt then I still do not see where you are going when the person you support also support those claims.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qIN1-z_JqQ

just a quick reminder.



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numberwang said:

We want very much to have a strong Russia

(because they filled the coffers of the Clinton Foundation)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFuv_28buFk

so then you agree with trump siding with russia, so I guess you support two corrupted candidates nice!



 

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leo-j said:
numberwang said:

We want very much to have a strong Russia

(because they filled the coffers of the Clinton Foundation)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFuv_28buFk

so then you agree with trump siding with russia, so I guess you support two corrupted candidates nice!

False dichotomy, just have good international relations. No need to choose one of Hillary's many positions.



massimus said:
Machiavellian said:

1) So the reason why impeachment is being presented should be obvious.  2) Trump is the president of the US and he was given just like any President all the information we have on Russia attack on the 2016 elections.  3) There is no dispute of any of this information from any of the agencies, white house staff, Congress, you name it. 4) It's the whole reason why he had to walk back his statement because it's not something under discussion or up in the air any more.  5) During that Press conference, Trump threw that info away and publically put blame to the US for Russia attack.  6) So yes, people in all corners of the government who are privy to that information is calling what Trump did treasonous and right up there with impeachable act.  7) Knowing Trump character, you know he absolutely hates have to admit he is ever wrong. 8) For him to retract all that crap he said on Monday was a complete blunder and he knew it because there isn't any dispute about the evidence we have that Putin himself order the interference. 

Every word of that is first paragraph is ridiculous bro.

I'm not American, and am watching this whole drama unfold from afar (sunny Scotland), so freely admit that I'm not an expert on the whole Trump/Russia/Collusion fiasco but I definitely do take an interest and watch/read a fair amount.

In general I always try to see both sides of the argument and am always looking to learn, so please feel free to counter what I'm about to write & I'll give it due consideration.

I'm having trouble with your statement above "Every word of that is first paragraph is ridiculous bro." It's quite a damning appraisal and I can't see how you can possibly back it up.

Let's go through the first paragraph by sentence:

1) I guess this is subjective so I'll give you that one

2) He is indeed President and he surely is privy to all info - so how can you contest that?

3) Seems consistent based on all media outlets / politicians / analysts, both left & right... how can you contest that?

4) What would you suggest his reasoning was behind his u-turn?
 
5) You don't think he dismissed the info given to him by his various intelligence agencies?

6) I'm not sure about this one - are parties from "all corners of the government" asking for impeachment? If it's purely the democrats pursuing this then I'd say it's a mischaracterisation.

7) I think this is undeniable, no?

8) I guess this is the same as 4)

It seems to me that best case scenario, all of the points made in this paragraph are correct & worst case maybe 2 out of 8 are, as you say, "ridiculous".

Would you care to give me your take?



Biggerboat1 said:
massimus said:

Every word of that is first paragraph is ridiculous bro.

I'm not American, and am watching this whole drama unfold from afar (sunny Scotland), so freely admit that I'm not an expert on the whole Trump/Russia/Collusion fiasco but I definitely do take an interest and watch/read a fair amount.

In general I always try to see both sides of the argument and am always looking to learn, so please feel free to counter what I'm about to write & I'll give it due consideration.

I'm having trouble with your statement above "Every word of that is first paragraph is ridiculous bro." It's quite a damning appraisal and I can't see how you can possibly back it up.

Let's go through the first paragraph by sentence:

1) I guess this is subjective so I'll give you that one

2) He is indeed President and he surely is privy to all info - so how can you contest that?

3) Seems consistent based on all media outlets / politicians / analysts, both left & right... how can you contest that?

4) What would you suggest his reasoning was behind his u-turn?
 
5) You don't think he dismissed the info given to him by his various intelligence agencies?

6) I'm not sure about this one - are parties from "all corners of the government" asking for impeachment? If it's purely the democrats pursuing this then I'd say it's a mischaracterisation.

7) I think this is undeniable, no?

8) I guess this is the same as 4)

It seems to me that best case scenario, all of the points made in this paragraph are correct & worst case maybe 2 out of 8 are, as you say, "ridiculous".

Would you care to give me your take?

2. How is having the powers of a president an impeachable offense? He was trying to say he knows the dirt they have so that’s why he said what he did. For one, that’s stupid. For two, it’s not an impeachable offense.

 

3. Trumps answer was “I want to see the server”. The DNC never turned over their server to the FBI after the hack. My guess is to hide that they rigged the primary election against Sanders. Even with his authority as president, top clearance, he hasn’t seen any evidence. With the way they have been stonewalling congress subpoenas it means congress hasn’t seen it either. Congress has already cleared any trump campaign involvement but that wasn’t the question and I think that’s where he slipped up. Even if Russia did hack the DNC it’s still not an impeachable offense against trump. The media is worthless and shouldn’t be considered at all.

 

4. The reason for walking it back you mean? It was a dumb thing to say at a press conference. Trump just doesn’t care, he will say the same thing at a press conference that he will at a rally. His beef with our intelligence runs deep. I guess he feels like if he agreed with our intelligence he agrees with all of the other bullshit they are trying to pin on him as well. Like I said though, that’s domestic. Even if he had to lie he should have said our intel community is the best.

 

5. He has and some of it was dismissible. 

 

6. It’s not treasonous or impeachable, that’s a ridiculous statement.

 

7. I will give him that one.

 

8. I haven’t seen this evidence but I don’t doubt Russians are hacking Americans. This is common sense and nothing new. The investigation is about Trump involvement which there is none (or it hasn’t been shown). Why would Trump be impeached for something Russia did? That’s why it’s ridiculous. He hasn’t done anything to warrant such action. 



massimus said:

Get the fuck out lmao! He was laughing because if some journalist in Russia was asking such ignorant shit they would be lying in a gutter somewhere. Master class what a joke, he is a scumbag. The press was just as embarrassing as Trump was, what a bunch of morons. For people that are so Anti-Russian you guys sure do swing on Putin’s nuthairs lol. I was anti-Putin way before “he won the 2016 election”. I was Anti-Putin when he was buzzing our coasts with nuke jets. Do you remember that shit? On Independence Day. And you know how badly I can’t stand California lol! The only thing I dislike more than Cali is somebody else fucking with us. He’s not a master of anything, he’s a mobster that pillages his people. Trump fucked up but acting like Putin is sitting there watching his masterpiece unfold is fucking dumb lol. Good satire but just an ignorant mindset if you are serious. That’s propelled by something irrational, like hate. 

Lol, now I would call that hate.  I believe no one is of a mind that doesn't believe Putin is the mobster you believe him to be.  I totally agree with you which brings us to why would Trump lie for this man.  Trump has stated on many occasions how he admires Putin and no matter what Putin has done Trump has only shone praise for the man.  If Putin does not have anything on Trump and he isn't compromised then how do you explain his actions.  I am sure you will find a way to make it seem like there isn't anything here but only time will tell just what type of relationship they have together.

My rational is not out of hate,you can continue to use that word if it makes you sleep good at night but my conclusions is more on Trump and his ability to screw up the simplest things then any emotion.  I see an idiot, who compromised himself to a loan shark, found himself in a position of power and now the payment is due.  I do not need to hate Trump to come to that conclusion, I only need to look at this career up to today to reach that point.  This conference was another in a long line of idiotic things he has done that only strengthen my opinion.  Even things I would side with him on Trump finds a way to bungle it like a pro.

 



Machiavellian said:
massimus said:

Get the fuck out lmao! He was laughing because if some journalist in Russia was asking such ignorant shit they would be lying in a gutter somewhere. Master class what a joke, he is a scumbag. The press was just as embarrassing as Trump was, what a bunch of morons. For people that are so Anti-Russian you guys sure do swing on Putin’s nuthairs lol. I was anti-Putin way before “he won the 2016 election”. I was Anti-Putin when he was buzzing our coasts with nuke jets. Do you remember that shit? On Independence Day. And you know how badly I can’t stand California lol! The only thing I dislike more than Cali is somebody else fucking with us. He’s not a master of anything, he’s a mobster that pillages his people. Trump fucked up but acting like Putin is sitting there watching his masterpiece unfold is fucking dumb lol. Good satire but just an ignorant mindset if you are serious. That’s propelled by something irrational, like hate. 

Lol, now I would call that hate.  I believe no one is of a mind that doesn't believe Putin is the mobster you believe him to be.  I totally agree with you which brings us to why would Trump lie for this man.  Trump has stated on many occasions how he admires Putin and no matter what Putin has done Trump has only shone praise for the man.  If Putin does not have anything on Trump and he isn't compromised then how do you explain his actions.  I am sure you will find a way to make it seem like there isn't anything here but only time will tell just what type of relationship they have together.

My rational is not out of hate,you can continue to use that word if it makes you sleep good at night but my conclusions is more on Trump and his ability to screw up the simplest things then any emotion.  I see an idiot, who compromised himself to a loan shark, found himself in a position of power and now the payment is due.  I do not need to hate Trump to come to that conclusion, I only need to look at this career up to today to reach that point.  This conference was another in a long line of idiotic things he has done that only strengthen my opinion.  Even things I would side with him on Trump finds a way to bungle it like a pro.

 

I have zero love for Putin and I don’t make excuses for it. He didn’t lie for Putin, he brought our domestic baggage to an international stage. Trump goes off on our intelligence agencies on a weekly basis. There is a legitimate fight between Trump and the establishment going on, it’s not like this shit is out of the blue. The fact is that he didn’t lie for us lol. He should have been singing the FBIs praises no matter how shitty they treat him, at least on that stage. Trump not seeing a difference between an American stage and a international stage is due to his character, I agree. The question was designed around that fact and he fell for it, that’s the first time in a year and a half that the media has gotten the upper hand on him. He has been shitting all over them until that last presser.

 

I don’t care if you do or don’t Bro. That’s the only way it makes sense to me with your infatuation. What do you stand for besides “trump is an idiot”. After our many conversations I still don’t know. You know what I stand for and what I dislike, feel me? You have a one track mind, destroy Trump.