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Biggerboat1 on 20 July 2018
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massimus said:
Machiavellian said:

1) So the reason why impeachment is being presented should be obvious.  2) Trump is the president of the US and he was given just like any President all the information we have on Russia attack on the 2016 elections.  3) There is no dispute of any of this information from any of the agencies, white house staff, Congress, you name it. 4) It's the whole reason why he had to walk back his statement because it's not something under discussion or up in the air any more.  5) During that Press conference, Trump threw that info away and publically put blame to the US for Russia attack.  6) So yes, people in all corners of the government who are privy to that information is calling what Trump did treasonous and right up there with impeachable act.  7) Knowing Trump character, you know he absolutely hates have to admit he is ever wrong. 8) For him to retract all that crap he said on Monday was a complete blunder and he knew it because there isn't any dispute about the evidence we have that Putin himself order the interference. 

Every word of that is first paragraph is ridiculous bro.

I'm not American, and am watching this whole drama unfold from afar (sunny Scotland), so freely admit that I'm not an expert on the whole Trump/Russia/Collusion fiasco but I definitely do take an interest and watch/read a fair amount.

In general I always try to see both sides of the argument and am always looking to learn, so please feel free to counter what I'm about to write & I'll give it due consideration.

I'm having trouble with your statement above "Every word of that is first paragraph is ridiculous bro." It's quite a damning appraisal and I can't see how you can possibly back it up.

Let's go through the first paragraph by sentence:

1) I guess this is subjective so I'll give you that one

2) He is indeed President and he surely is privy to all info - so how can you contest that?

3) Seems consistent based on all media outlets / politicians / analysts, both left & right... how can you contest that?

4) What would you suggest his reasoning was behind his u-turn?
 
5) You don't think he dismissed the info given to him by his various intelligence agencies?

6) I'm not sure about this one - are parties from "all corners of the government" asking for impeachment? If it's purely the democrats pursuing this then I'd say it's a mischaracterisation.

7) I think this is undeniable, no?

8) I guess this is the same as 4)

It seems to me that best case scenario, all of the points made in this paragraph are correct & worst case maybe 2 out of 8 are, as you say, "ridiculous".

Would you care to give me your take?