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Biggerboat1 said:

2. I think all he was saying here is that Trump was aware of the evidence and findings of his intelligence agencies... I don't think he's talking about evidence of collusion with Russia/Trump, but evidence of Russia interfering, or at least attempting to interfere with the election...

3. Isn't there significant evidence of Russian interference outwith the server? I can't believe that all of these accusations around Russia are purely based on a server that none of the intelligence services have been allowed to examine... 

4. I don't think you and Machiavellion are actually in disagreement here - you're not actually explaining why he walked it back, but rather why he said what he did in the press event...

5. Again, you're not disagreeing here... All you assert is that some of the evidence he ignored was dismissible...

6. Whether it's impeachable is not being debated here - he's saying that "people in all corners of the government who are privy to that information is calling what Trump did treasonous and right up there with impeachable act." - whether or not you personally think it's impeachable or not is irrelevant to his statement.

7. Hallelujah :)

8. Again, your response is not pertinent to what Machiavellion actually said...

 

I feel like you are kind of going out of your way to interpret his comments in the most disagreeable way possible in order to deliver retorts to points that weren't actually made.

I see this a lot on this forum - whether it's politics or videogames and it doesn't really achieve anything.

You seem like a smart enough guy but also just super-defensive, but that's just my opinion dude, take it on-board or don't, it's totally up to you.

I can understand arguing for something that you believe in on any given issue but I am kind of perplexed at the amount defence I see for Trump personally. He seems to have almost no redeeming features and if I ever have a kid, he'd be the polar opposite of what I'd want him or her to turn out like... Would you?

Again, I can understand defending something that you genuinely believe in, whether it be a party, a policy or a person, but surely Trump isn't deserving of any of your energy?

Yeah he's aware of the Mueller indictments on Russian nationals that will never show up in Court and get dragged into limbo. That's not evidence, that's a court summons. Trump apparently hasn't seen the findings if he is saying he wants to see the server. I haven't seen any evidence that has Putin giving the order himself like Mach suggests(though i don't doubt it). Regardless, it's still a dumb thing to say at a joint press conference when everyone has their gun out. The main point is that it's not impeachable or treason, let alone obviously so lol. Based on what exactly? "The left and right say so" isn't proof of anything. Saying stupid things and having dumb mannerisms aren't an impeachable offense.


They are still denying congress the information and findings. They are dragging out info subpoenas. Congress still doesn't even have the evidence that started the investigation. Mueller is same guy that has spent hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars on the most thorough investigation in our history probably, searching every nook and cranny chasing the dragon. No budget limit, No boundaries, it's a joke of our justice system. Police state tactics. Why doesn't Trump trust his intelligence? For many more obvious reasons. Some nobody with zero authority has become the most powerful man in the country and he's untouchable. People act like Mueller is more powerful than the President and Congress and it's laughable These Federal judges that keep blocking Trump have absolutely no right to infringe of the authority of the President. They are nothing, a congress creation. So no, his distaste for our Intelligence community and the unconstitutional protests aren't surprising.


The hacking of the DNC and releasing their shit on Wikileaks was very telling sure. If you consider people knowing the truth as "election tampering" then that's pretty fucked up and shows the mentality of the DNC voters. How dare you show the voters what these assholes actually think behind the teleprompter.  Buying Ads isn't illegal, sending emails and trashing a candidate aren't illegal. Hacking is illegal sure, and I have no doubt Russia does it everyday. How is that an impeachable offense to Trump though? He hasn't been tied to it even it they did in fact hack the DNC. The evidence should be released to the public if they have it.


He walked back what he said because it was a stupid thing to say. The pockets he's beefing with do not represent the agency as a whole. I actually like the FBI and you can see how much shit I can talk about them. It's not complicated and I already said that. I just explained why he said it in the first place to explain why the puppet master thing was bullshit.

6. How is me telling him his statement is wrong irrelevant? It's not treason, it's fact. Trump could have said fuck our intelligence agencies, that's not treason. He is their boss... Our intelligence agencies have no authority over our President, he does not answer to them. He could disband them if he wanted too, it's well within his authority. It's just not the best thing to do politically or rationally lol. How is outright denying your intelligence briefing(which he didn't do) treason or impeachable? That's some stupid shit to say, left or right.
 
"I feel like you are kind of going out of your way to interpret his comments in the most disagreeable way possible in order to deliver retorts to points that weren't actually made."
Everything I have said has been in response to the impeachment is obvious statement. That first paragraph was trying to justify impeachment and i called it ridiculous. I didn't deliberately misinterpret what he said and I have no reason to do so. I also haven't changed my stance. That press conference was bad publicity, nothing more.

"You seem like a smart enough guy but also just super-defensive, but that's just my opinion dude, take it on-board or don't, it's totally up to you."

Super defensive how? By explaining why I think the way I do? My language might make my thoughts more aggressive then i'm trying to be. That's why i add lol a lot to let people know i'm not attacking but just making a point in jest.

"I can understand arguing for something that you believe in on any given issue but I am kind of perplexed at the amount defence I see for Trump personally. He seems to have almost no redeeming features and if I ever have a kid, he'd be the polar opposite of what I'd want him or her to turn out like... Would you?"
You wanted to break it down, not me lol. He and you messaged me and I responded. I'm just having a conversation dude. I haven't been disrespectful to anyone personally on here, I defend my views though sure.

"Again, I can understand defending something that you genuinely believe in, whether it be a party, a policy or a person, but surely Trump isn't deserving of any of your energy?"
I don't believe in parties. I do defend policies I believe in. I don't have much faith in politicians. Trump is comedy to me, it's not stressful and I like following the news and politics. Discussing it with you guys takes no energy at all. If somebody says something and I think it's wrong i will say so. People do the same to me like Mach did. I have no issue.



Machiavellian said:
massimus said:

I have zero love for Putin and I don’t make excuses for it. He didn’t lie for Putin, he brought our domestic baggage to an international stage. Trump goes off on our intelligence agencies on a weekly basis. There is a legitimate fight between Trump and the establishment going on, it’s not like this shit is out of the blue. The fact is that he didn’t lie for us lol. He should have been singing the FBIs praises no matter how shitty they treat him, at least on that stage. Trump not seeing a difference between an American stage and a international stage is due to his character, I agree. The question was designed around that fact and he fell for it, that’s the first time in a year and a half that the media has gotten the upper hand on him. He has been shitting all over them until that last presser.

 

I don’t care if you do or don’t Bro. That’s the only way it makes sense to me with your infatuation. What do you stand for besides “trump is an idiot”. After our many conversations I still don’t know. You know what I stand for and what I dislike, feel me? You have a one track mind, destroy Trump. 

Well of course me hating Trump is the only way you can see it.  It's the only way any Trump supporter ever see anyone who is critical of Trump.  If someone doesn't see his genius or believe him smart, intelligent or any of the things he constantly tells everyone he is, then by golly we must hate him.  The absolute only reason I am interested in Trump is because he is President.  When he had his reality show, I never watched it, did you.  I was never interested in him or would be interested in him when he leaves office.  He beeped on my radar when he ran for office.  I compared him to all the other Republican candidates at the time and what I came away from that is he had no plan.  I went to his website, I watched his rallies and I watch his performance during the Primaries.  I did those things for all the candidates at that time because I vote.  I watch the Primaries because I was thinking of voting Republican this term and John Kasich was the front runner for my choice.  

I have no clue what you stand for.  Only thing I know is that it seems anything Trump does is what you stand for and if he does something wrong you will defend him with your last breath.  So in my opinion the only thing you stand for is Trump.

The story is the same with every Trump supporter.  Everyone must hate Trump or cannot accept his genius.  We all do not get it or we just do not understand.  Lol, there must always be something other than the fact that people see him for who he is.  So yes, my infatuation for Trump will last for as long as he is in office.   I will continue to be critical of his actions because he is an idiot who can have an affect on my life.

If the President is the only thing you care about in politics then I apologize for reading into that wrong. No, I was never interested in him before but now we both watch the Trump show aka the news. You romanticize his idiocy and I laugh at how angry he makes people. I didn't vote for Trump in the primary either, I voted for Rand Paul. Between him and Clinton was a no brainer and I think it turned out alright so far.

I don't support everything Trump does. Everyone must think he's a complete moron or be a complete moron for not thinking he is, right? We don't get it or we don't understand. There must be something wrong with me because I can't see him for what he is, a secret russian moron. That's fine but politics is more than just the president my dude. There are many people that have an affect on your life in our government.



The Republican voters got cucked by Putin.



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As I predicted and true to form Trump and his team found some other scandal to move the needle away from his summit with Putin. As evidence mount that it was his legal team that leaked that tape with him discussing another one of his affairs to Cohen, it was only a matter of time before he threw another log on the fire.



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massimus said:
Machiavellian said:

Well of course me hating Trump is the only way you can see it.  It's the only way any Trump supporter ever see anyone who is critical of Trump.  If someone doesn't see his genius or believe him smart, intelligent or any of the things he constantly tells everyone he is, then by golly we must hate him.  The absolute only reason I am interested in Trump is because he is President.  When he had his reality show, I never watched it, did you.  I was never interested in him or would be interested in him when he leaves office.  He beeped on my radar when he ran for office.  I compared him to all the other Republican candidates at the time and what I came away from that is he had no plan.  I went to his website, I watched his rallies and I watch his performance during the Primaries.  I did those things for all the candidates at that time because I vote.  I watch the Primaries because I was thinking of voting Republican this term and John Kasich was the front runner for my choice.  

I have no clue what you stand for.  Only thing I know is that it seems anything Trump does is what you stand for and if he does something wrong you will defend him with your last breath.  So in my opinion the only thing you stand for is Trump.

The story is the same with every Trump supporter.  Everyone must hate Trump or cannot accept his genius.  We all do not get it or we just do not understand.  Lol, there must always be something other than the fact that people see him for who he is.  So yes, my infatuation for Trump will last for as long as he is in office.   I will continue to be critical of his actions because he is an idiot who can have an affect on my life.

If the President is the only thing you care about in politics then I apologize for reading into that wrong. No, I was never interested in him before but now we both watch the Trump show aka the news. You romanticize his idiocy and I laugh at how angry he makes people. I didn't vote for Trump in the primary either, I voted for Rand Paul. Between him and Clinton was a no brainer and I think it turned out alright so far.

I don't support everything Trump does. Everyone must think he's a complete moron or be a complete moron for not thinking he is, right? We don't get it or we don't understand. There must be something wrong with me because I can't see him for what he is, a secret russian moron. That's fine but politics is more than just the president my dude. There are many people that have an affect on your life in our government.

There you go again doing what you always do, deflect.  Never said the president office is the only political office  I vote for but please continue to build that nice straw defense. SIf you want we can share voting records and I can show you I vote all the d I'll win to my city mayor if that helps you sleep at night.  Are we not in a thread talking about the President so I keep it on point.  If you want to discuss other political positions feel free to open another thread.

So your entertainment is an idiot making policies that effect your life.  I guess everyone has their kicks.  I also find it funny thelengths  people will go through to support Trump when he make idiotic mistakes.  I am having a decent chuckle in this thread.

Interesting enough I never thought Trump was compromised by Russia.  I only thought of him as another con man who found himself in position of power.  After that display on Monday, I started to believe maybe there is some meat there.



Hiku said:

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Hahaha, brilliant.

This "wouldn't" instead of "would" is on a kindergarten level explanation, one of the worst I've seen from a political leader.

The big problem with Trump is he is so erratic and emotional. He should stick to a long term stance and just keep claiming that Russia and Putin are friends and partners.



Machiavellian said: 

There you go again doing what you always do, deflect.  Never said the president office is the only political office  I vote for but please continue to build that nice straw defense. SIf you want we can share voting records and I can show you I vote all the d I'll win to my city mayor if that helps you sleep at night.  Are we not in a thread talking about the President so I keep it on point.  If you want to discuss other political positions feel free to open another thread.

So your entertainment is an idiot making policies that effect your life.  I guess everyone has their kicks.  I also find it funny thelengths  people will go through to support Trump when he make idiotic mistakes.  I am having a decent chuckle in this thread.

Interesting enough I never thought Trump was compromised by Russia.  I only thought of him as another con man who found himself in position of power.  After that display on Monday, I started to believe maybe there is some meat there.

“There you go again doing what you always do, deflect.”

LOL! I’m not the king of the deflection, that’s you. I’m the king of dismissal, remember? Deflection would be me discussing the substance of your post with your lawyer from Scotland while you focus on your hatred of Trump (or lack thereof).

“Never said the president office is the only political office  I vote for but please continue to build that nice straw defense.”

I didn’t say it was only thing you vote for, I just said it seems like it’s the only thing you care about. I don’t need a straw defense for your feelings about Trump. It’s just an observation dude, if I’m wrong I’m wrong. I don’t know you, I just know what you type and what you focus on.

 

“SIf you want we can share voting records and I can show you I vote all the d I'll win to my city mayor if that helps you sleep at night.”

I just said I don’t know what you stand for. I don’t really care who or what you vote for I’m just explaining why I think you “dislike him very strongly” because that’s the only thing you responded to. You hating him or not has no affect on me. 

 

“Are we not in a thread talking about the President so I keep it on point.  If you want to discuss other political positions feel free to open another thread.”

 

We have discussed many political positions in our many discussions and you were always brought back to destroying Trump. We have talked about everything from the economy to healthcare and you have never shown any real “republican” position. Neither does the Republican Party though and I guess that makes sense if you like Kasich. If the only reason you are so critical is because you were staying on topic then I read it wrong. You don’t hate trump because he is an idiot that has an affect on your life. I apologize again. 

 

“So your entertainment is an idiot making policies that effect your life.  I guess everyone has their kicks.”

 

I don’t think he’s an idiot and I like the policies for the most part. He says some dumb shit but most of the time it’s on purpose. My entertainment is how angry he makes people on purpose. Especially the media. He’s not a traditional president, sure. Definitely not a traditional republican that rolls over and takes the leftist ass chewing like Bush did. He fights back and yes it’s entertaining. 

 

“I also find it funny thelengths  people will go through to support Trump when he make idiotic mistakes.  I am having a decent chuckle in this thread.”

 

I find it funny the lengths people will go to try to destroy him and his family. Most of your complaints are something stupid he said like he doesn’t know the difference between Great Britain and the UK or some other stupid word fumble. I just said your impeachment claim is ridiculous. 

 

“Interesting enough I never thought Trump was compromised by Russia.  I only thought of him as another con man who found himself in position of power.  After that display on Monday, I started to believe maybe there is some meat there.”

 

I still don’t. I think that’s retarded lol. 



massimus said:
Biggerboat1 said:

2. I think all he was saying here is that Trump was aware of the evidence and findings of his intelligence agencies... I don't think he's talking about evidence of collusion with Russia/Trump, but evidence of Russia interfering, or at least attempting to interfere with the election...

3. Isn't there significant evidence of Russian interference outwith the server? I can't believe that all of these accusations around Russia are purely based on a server that none of the intelligence services have been allowed to examine... 

4. I don't think you and Machiavellion are actually in disagreement here - you're not actually explaining why he walked it back, but rather why he said what he did in the press event...

5. Again, you're not disagreeing here... All you assert is that some of the evidence he ignored was dismissible...

6. Whether it's impeachable is not being debated here - he's saying that "people in all corners of the government who are privy to that information is calling what Trump did treasonous and right up there with impeachable act." - whether or not you personally think it's impeachable or not is irrelevant to his statement.

7. Hallelujah :)

8. Again, your response is not pertinent to what Machiavellion actually said...

 

I feel like you are kind of going out of your way to interpret his comments in the most disagreeable way possible in order to deliver retorts to points that weren't actually made.

I see this a lot on this forum - whether it's politics or videogames and it doesn't really achieve anything.

You seem like a smart enough guy but also just super-defensive, but that's just my opinion dude, take it on-board or don't, it's totally up to you.

I can understand arguing for something that you believe in on any given issue but I am kind of perplexed at the amount defence I see for Trump personally. He seems to have almost no redeeming features and if I ever have a kid, he'd be the polar opposite of what I'd want him or her to turn out like... Would you?

Again, I can understand defending something that you genuinely believe in, whether it be a party, a policy or a person, but surely Trump isn't deserving of any of your energy?

Yeah he's aware of the Mueller indictments on Russian nationals that will never show up in Court and get dragged into limbo. That's not evidence, that's a court summons. Trump apparently hasn't seen the findings if he is saying he wants to see the server. I haven't seen any evidence that has Putin giving the order himself like Mach suggests(though i don't doubt it). Regardless, it's still a dumb thing to say at a joint press conference when everyone has their gun out. The main point is that it's not impeachable or treason, let alone obviously so lol. Based on what exactly? "The left and right say so" isn't proof of anything. Saying stupid things and having dumb mannerisms aren't an impeachable offense.


They are still denying congress the information and findings. They are dragging out info subpoenas. Congress still doesn't even have the evidence that started the investigation. Mueller is same guy that has spent hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars on the most thorough investigation in our history probably, searching every nook and cranny chasing the dragon. No budget limit, No boundaries, it's a joke of our justice system. Police state tactics. Why doesn't Trump trust his intelligence? For many more obvious reasons. Some nobody with zero authority has become the most powerful man in the country and he's untouchable. People act like Mueller is more powerful than the President and Congress and it's laughable These Federal judges that keep blocking Trump have absolutely no right to infringe of the authority of the President. They are nothing, a congress creation. So no, his distaste for our Intelligence community and the unconstitutional protests aren't surprising.


The hacking of the DNC and releasing their shit on Wikileaks was very telling sure. If you consider people knowing the truth as "election tampering" then that's pretty fucked up and shows the mentality of the DNC voters. How dare you show the voters what these assholes actually think behind the teleprompter.  Buying Ads isn't illegal, sending emails and trashing a candidate aren't illegal. Hacking is illegal sure, and I have no doubt Russia does it everyday. How is that an impeachable offense to Trump though? He hasn't been tied to it even it they did in fact hack the DNC. The evidence should be released to the public if they have it.


He walked back what he said because it was a stupid thing to say. The pockets he's beefing with do not represent the agency as a whole. I actually like the FBI and you can see how much shit I can talk about them. It's not complicated and I already said that. I just explained why he said it in the first place to explain why the puppet master thing was bullshit.

6. How is me telling him his statement is wrong irrelevant? It's not treason, it's fact. Trump could have said fuck our intelligence agencies, that's not treason. He is their boss... Our intelligence agencies have no authority over our President, he does not answer to them. He could disband them if he wanted too, it's well within his authority. It's just not the best thing to do politically or rationally lol. How is outright denying your intelligence briefing(which he didn't do) treason or impeachable? That's some stupid shit to say, left or right.
 
"I feel like you are kind of going out of your way to interpret his comments in the most disagreeable way possible in order to deliver retorts to points that weren't actually made."
Everything I have said has been in response to the impeachment is obvious statement. That first paragraph was trying to justify impeachment and i called it ridiculous. I didn't deliberately misinterpret what he said and I have no reason to do so. I also haven't changed my stance. That press conference was bad publicity, nothing more.

"You seem like a smart enough guy but also just super-defensive, but that's just my opinion dude, take it on-board or don't, it's totally up to you."

Super defensive how? By explaining why I think the way I do? My language might make my thoughts more aggressive then i'm trying to be. That's why i add lol a lot to let people know i'm not attacking but just making a point in jest.

"I can understand arguing for something that you believe in on any given issue but I am kind of perplexed at the amount defence I see for Trump personally. He seems to have almost no redeeming features and if I ever have a kid, he'd be the polar opposite of what I'd want him or her to turn out like... Would you?"
You wanted to break it down, not me lol. He and you messaged me and I responded. I'm just having a conversation dude. I haven't been disrespectful to anyone personally on here, I defend my views though sure.

"Again, I can understand defending something that you genuinely believe in, whether it be a party, a policy or a person, but surely Trump isn't deserving of any of your energy?"
I don't believe in parties. I do defend policies I believe in. I don't have much faith in politicians. Trump is comedy to me, it's not stressful and I like following the news and politics. Discussing it with you guys takes no energy at all. If somebody says something and I think it's wrong i will say so. People do the same to me like Mach did. I have no issue.

I'll bow to your more extensive knowledge of all the legal ins & outs.

My original point was that your summary of Machiavellian's paragraph was inaccurate and as both of us have now agreed, every word of the paragraph absolutely wasn't ridiculous. It states many truths although I understand you disagree with it's base premise. It's this type of reliance on exaggeration and hyperbole that causes debates  to get out of hand and it smacks more of wanting to win, than engaging in an open and honest discussion, where, god forbid, somebody may change their position.

In various posts you also express your amusement at the way Trump riles up the democrats, but I think revelling in other's distress is never healthy and attitudes like this will just contribute to the ever-widening chasm we're seeing in American society.

Whilst I don't agree with some of Trump's policies I just can't understand the unflinching backing he receives personally from huge swathes of your country. You say he isn't an idiot but I think, you, me,  & half of this forum wouldn't have made the blunder he did at the summit, and that was just one of many. To me though, even worse than that was the way he executed his u-turn - he didn't even try to make it appear credible! He knows that what he is saying is going out to his country and the world and he doesn't even try... He may as well have pulled a Ron Burgundy and just gave it the full "fuck you America".

I mean, I'm not a fan of Theresa May by any stretch, she's a total charisma-vacuum. But at least I know when she's giving an interview or meeting another world leader that I'm not going to have to cringe every other sentence...

With Trump everything is 'the best', 'the biggest', 'the most' anything has ever been becaause he's involved. You may say that's just his trade-mark charm, but I personally think he doesn't have a clue whether what he's saying is true or not as he has no knowledge of his own country's history or politics, and what's worse he doesn't care to know... He's just such an odd man to cheer-lead for...

I keep hearing that part of his appeal is that he isn't a career politician, he's an outsider, and as such can make things happen - but for this to happen he actually has to have a basic understanding of the political landscape and how it works.

It's like putting an NFL player in the NBA, but without him knowing the rules - then watching on in horror as he tackles 3 players then punts the basketball into the crowd. You're not going to win the game that way - you're just going to make a fucking mockery of it...

I've kind of veered off my own point here so I'll wrap it up. Again, you seem like a switched on guy who's done his homework. It just makes it all the more bemusing to see you support such an overt narcissist & pathological liar. He truly is stranger than fiction, and I don't think we'll see a President even half as bizarre in our life-times...



massimus said:

“There you go again doing what you always do, deflect.”

LOL! I’m not the king of the deflection, that’s you. I’m the king of dismissal, remember? Deflection would be me discussing the substance of your post with your lawyer from Scotland while you focus on your hatred of Trump (or lack thereof).

“Never said the president office is the only political office  I vote for but please continue to build that nice straw defense.”

I didn’t say it was only thing you vote for, I just said it seems like it’s the only thing you care about. I don’t need a straw defense for your feelings about Trump. It’s just an observation dude, if I’m wrong I’m wrong. I don’t know you, I just know what you type and what you focus on.

 

“SIf you want we can share voting records and I can show you I vote all the d I'll win to my city mayor if that helps you sleep at night.”

I just said I don’t know what you stand for. I don’t really care who or what you vote for I’m just explaining why I think you “dislike him very strongly” because that’s the only thing you responded to. You hating him or not has no affect on me. 

 

“Are we not in a thread talking about the President so I keep it on point.  If you want to discuss other political positions feel free to open another thread.”

 

We have discussed many political positions in our many discussions and you were always brought back to destroying Trump. We have talked about everything from the economy to healthcare and you have never shown any real “republican” position. Neither does the Republican Party though and I guess that makes sense if you like Kasich. If the only reason you are so critical is because you were staying on topic then I read it wrong. You don’t hate trump because he is an idiot that has an affect on your life. I apologize again. 

 

“So your entertainment is an idiot making policies that effect your life.  I guess everyone has their kicks.”

 

I don’t think he’s an idiot and I like the policies for the most part. He says some dumb shit but most of the time it’s on purpose. My entertainment is how angry he makes people on purpose. Especially the media. He’s not a traditional president, sure. Definitely not a traditional republican that rolls over and takes the leftist ass chewing like Bush did. He fights back and yes it’s entertaining. 

 

“I also find it funny thelengths  people will go through to support Trump when he make idiotic mistakes.  I am having a decent chuckle in this thread.”

 

I find it funny the lengths people will go to try to destroy him and his family. Most of your complaints are something stupid he said like he doesn’t know the difference between Great Britain and the UK or some other stupid word fumble. I just said your impeachment claim is ridiculous. 

 

“Interesting enough I never thought Trump was compromised by Russia.  I only thought of him as another con man who found himself in position of power.  After that display on Monday, I started to believe maybe there is some meat there.”

 

I still don’t. I think that’s retarded lol. 

Would it make you happy if I stated that there are a few things I agree that Trump stands for.  I actually have no problem with making relations better with Russia.  I have not problems with strengthening the border.  I have not problem and support better trade relationships with out partners.  I am in support of tougher stance against China.  All of these things are great for a President to tackle and things that he should do.  The biggest problem I have is when you put an idiot in charge of tackling those problems the opposite result happens.

My point is that Trump has no clue what he is doing.  He does not prepare when he meets world leaders.  He does not take the time to understand the actual issues and he doesn't listen to anyone but people who just say yes to his every whim.  As I have stated many times, he is sloppy in pretty much everything he does and his administration just does what he wants but no one takes the time to plan anything right.  You see this every time he speaks to world leaders as he shows his ignorance each and every step.  You have quotes from him talking about Brexit but then again he sounds so ignorant that its funny he would even suggest giving advice on how to handle it.  His Muslin ban failed and he had to go back and re do it because he did not understand now to get something simple done.  Healthcare, nothing.  Basically punted to congress after saying he was the only one who could fix it.  That he had a plan then in his most revealing tweet we get this, "Nobody knew Healthcare could be so complicated".  The only person who did not know was the same person who said he was the only person to fix it.

My problem with Trump is not the policies he stand for it's how he executes them.  When you have an idiot tackling complex issues, they can F it up so bad that any real support for policies or issues will have unreasonable conflict because people can only focus on how bad that person screwed it up.  Immigration is a classic example.  The whole taking the children probably could have worked if done with a more deft hand but instead it was rushed without thought.  There was no plan to get the children back to their parents and no way for them to keep in touch or anything.  It was bungled beyond belief and made us look like complete fools.  The whole wall concept and making Mexico pay for it. Was great campaign slogan but anyone with any sense knew this wasn't going to happen and if the wall did get funded it was going to be our dollars doing it.  

The main problem with Trump is that he only seems to care about his base but is that what a president suppose to be.  Only caring about your base and forgetting all the people who did not vote for you leaves a big gap and start to make the divide we see today in America.  

Needless to say, I can give multiple more incidents where at every turn Trump turned something that could be good into a bungled mess.  His whole administration is filled with people he has to fire or quite because who wants to be a part of a disorganized group of bungling idiots.  Either way, we will see how many more bungled cases continue to show up and how many times you will have to defend every screw up.