President Trump Sides With Russia Against the United States.

[Machiavellian]

massimus said:

Machiavellian said: 

"My problem with Trump is not the policies he stand for it's how he executes them.  When you have an idiot tackling complex issues, they can F it up so bad that any real support for policies or issues will have unreasonable conflict because people can only focus on how bad that person screwed it up.  Immigration is a classic example.  The whole taking the children probably could have worked if done with a more deft hand but instead it was rushed without thought.  There was no plan to get the children back to their parents and no way for them to keep in touch or anything.  It was bungled beyond belief and made us look like complete fools.  The whole wall concept and making Mexico pay for it. Was great campaign slogan but anyone with any sense knew this wasn't going to happen and if the wall did get funded it was going to be our dollars doing it."

That's the law, he didn't do anything criminal. Congress needs to change the law lol. Other Presidents were in the wrong by nullifying law and opening our borders. We the people don't get to pick and choose which laws we obey, what kind of shit is that? "Zero Tolerance" was the law as written. People shouldn't be flooding our border in the first place. How you turn off the faucet?  How do you fix what has been ruined without having zero tolerance? Let them stay with their kids outside our wall. I don't care about how we look, I guess that's why we can't see eye to eye. The presentation really is the least important part to me. I just want the shit fixed. Well he is making mexico pay now with the tariffs lol. The wall has been started but  it hasn't been built and that's congress' fault. They send the spending bills. The house has the power of the purse. 

 

Actually this is incorrect and you really need to read up on exactly the executive order Trump instituted.  First it was only a misdemeanor to cross the border illegally not a criminal act.  There is no president before Trump that opened up the border and if you want to use Obama, then you really need to get your facts straight.  No one changed the law, this is what it has been for quite some time.  

Even changing it to a felony is not the bad part as I stated.  I see nothing wrong with making the law stricter and enforcing it.  My problem comes down as always to execution.  The problem with the whole border change was how sloppy and inhuman way it was executed. 

First you are going to lock these people up, for how long.  It's not like we have the capacity to start throwing a lot of these people into jail for a long period of time. The whole point of the other administrations doing the catch and release is because the amount of time and money needed to lock everyone up, house the children in a humane way will cost billions.  The current system did not have enough judges to support the change.  So now when you need to give them at least due process it takes over a year to get a court date.  Trump answer to this was give them no due process which then goes against the whole law premis I see Trump supporters always throw out on this subject.  "We only need Laws for Americans, everyone else we just treat like dirt on the bottom of our shoes". 

Next, they did not have the facility to do this properly.  Throwing up interm tents with barely any trained personnel to handle all the children especially when you think a lot of them are under the age of 5.  Now you have all these kids you have to do something with.  What are you going to do with them for the term their parents are locked up waiting for a trail that could take over a year to a court date.  Next we have the situation where no one kept track of the children and their parents.  You lock them up, throw their children in an interim camp without any identification as to who their parents are, then when you release their parents and send them back over the border you have no system to get their children back to them.  No system for the parents to know how their children are doing and no communication.  

As for the wall, it's not congress fault it falls on the same person who stated we will build something without the proper support to get it done.  The wall is Trump stump point and getting it done belongs to him because it was never supported by anyone in congress to begin with.  It's easy to throw this blame at Congress since it always needed them to pass it but it's the president job who wanted it to make it happen.  Like any negotiations, you have to give up something to get something.  Trump never tried to get Democrats on board with anything.  If there was a problem with getting his own party to support what he wanted like the Republican healthcare bill, he blames the democrats.  If something was viewed negative he found some way to either blame democrats, Obama or Hillary.  Always shifting the blame but never making the effort he needed to get things done.   

I do not care about Trumps presentation as long as its effective.  I find that what he believe is effective when he was in the private sector is effective in the public but its not working out that way.  Moving people politically and forgetting that your enemy can easily be your allie is where his lack of understand seems to be.  Currently I do not see Trump style actually working.  Right now things are in the beginning faze so there is still a lot of time to see how things shape up but currently the things where he needs others to support his efforts I see no results.  A lot of bluster but no real sense of what to do.