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Mnementh on 03 July 2018
Azuren said:
Mnementh said:

Sorry, you're not even reading my argument. What you say is basically like this: "Mario games don't sell on PS4. Proof: zero sales. So obviously PS4-gamers don't care about Mario games."

This is your argument. Because unreleased software isn't selling you conclude the Switch gamers don't care for said unreleased software. This is ridiculous.

Good third party games exist on Switch, so your analysis of my argument is more than a little moot. And the fact that not one of those games breaks the top ten is pretty telling.

Sorry, but the big 3rd-party-sellers didn't release on Switch. Let's take a look. The biggest 3rd-party-releases of 2017 on PS4:

1. Call of Duty: WWII

2. FIFA 18

3. Crash Bandicoot Trilogy

4. Star Wars Battlefront II

5. Destiny 2

6. Assassins Creed Origins

7. Tiom Clancy's Ghost Recon

8. NBA 2K18

9. Resident Evil VII

10. Madden 18

They combined sold 45.6 million copies on PS4.

Of these games only FIFA 18 and NBA2K18 released on Switch. Both seemingly sold well enough, that they get the next entry. Crash just released, we will see data of this later (and it will be very interesting to compare this title).

If we only take the two titles that released on Switch, they sold combined 12.8 million copies on PS4. That are 28% of the sales of all ten. So if we extrapolate, we could reasonable assume, that if all or most of the major third-parties would release on Switch, the number of sold games would be three and a half as much. Or differently said: currently less than a third of the sales potential of third parties is used on Switch.

You can combine this with the weakness of first-party titles in the lineup of Sony and MS and you understand why 3rd-party titles are way more dominant in the charts of PS4 and Xbox One.



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Azuren on 03 July 2018
Mnementh said:
Azuren said:

Good third party games exist on Switch, so your analysis of my argument is more than a little moot. And the fact that not one of those games breaks the top ten is pretty telling.

Sorry, but the big 3rd-party-sellers didn't release on Switch. Let's take a look. The biggest 3rd-party-releases of 2017 on PS4:

1. Call of Duty: WWII

2. FIFA 18

3. Crash Bandicoot Trilogy

4. Star Wars Battlefront II

5. Destiny 2

6. Assassins Creed Origins

7. Tiom Clancy's Ghost Recon

8. NBA 2K18

9. Resident Evil VII

10. Madden 18

They combined sold 45.6 million copies on PS4.

Of these games only FIFA 18 and NBA2K18 released on Switch. Both seemingly sold well enough, that they get the next entry. Crash just released, we will see data of this later (and it will be very interesting to compare this title).

If we only take the two titles that released on Switch, they sold combined 12.8 million copies on PS4. That are 28% of the sales of all ten. So if we extrapolate, we could reasonable assume, that if all or most of the major third-parties would release on Switch, the number of sold games would be three and a half as much. Or differently said: currently less than a third of the sales potential of third parties is used on Switch.

You can combine this with the weakness of first-party titles in the lineup of Sony and MS and you understand why 3rd-party titles are way more dominant in the charts of PS4 and Xbox One.

You can argue all you want, it doesn't change the fact that big third party titles like Skyrim, Xenoverse 2, and Doom aren't even in the top ten. In fact, not one has even broken 1m. You can keep throwing all of these comparisons around, but at the end of the day Switch has a solid third party lineup and none of them are in the top ten.



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Mnementh on 03 July 2018
Azuren said:
Mnementh said:

Sorry, but the big 3rd-party-sellers didn't release on Switch. Let's take a look. The biggest 3rd-party-releases of 2017 on PS4:

1. Call of Duty: WWII

2. FIFA 18

3. Crash Bandicoot Trilogy

4. Star Wars Battlefront II

5. Destiny 2

6. Assassins Creed Origins

7. Tiom Clancy's Ghost Recon

8. NBA 2K18

9. Resident Evil VII

10. Madden 18

They combined sold 45.6 million copies on PS4.

Of these games only FIFA 18 and NBA2K18 released on Switch. Both seemingly sold well enough, that they get the next entry. Crash just released, we will see data of this later (and it will be very interesting to compare this title).

If we only take the two titles that released on Switch, they sold combined 12.8 million copies on PS4. That are 28% of the sales of all ten. So if we extrapolate, we could reasonable assume, that if all or most of the major third-parties would release on Switch, the number of sold games would be three and a half as much. Or differently said: currently less than a third of the sales potential of third parties is used on Switch.

You can combine this with the weakness of first-party titles in the lineup of Sony and MS and you understand why 3rd-party titles are way more dominant in the charts of PS4 and Xbox One.

You can argue all you want, it doesn't change the fact that big third party titles like Skyrim, Xenoverse 2, and Doom aren't even in the top ten. In fact, not one has even broken 1m. You can keep throwing all of these comparisons around, but at the end of the day Switch has a solid third party lineup and none of them are in the top ten.

Well, Skyrim is place #48 on PS4, Doom #60 and Xenoverse #102... not even in  the area of the TOP 10. [source]

On XBox One Skyrim is #39, Doom #56 and Xenoverse #136. [source]

The sales of Skyrim on Switch are 52% of the sales on Xbox One. Doom Switch sells at 25%. Xenoverse at 115% (meaning the game sells more on Switch). All three games are late ports. If we don't cherrypick games but look at all, I already counted and have the same amount of games that sell better on Switch compared to X1 as the other way round. So if the sales on Xbox One are acceptable, they are too on Switch. Sure enough on PS4 games usually sell better than on XB1 and Switch. But I never doubted that. What I doubted is that 3rd-parties do so much worse than on XB1, and data shows I'm right.

You can cherry-pick your games you look at, you can compare games that aren't sold, you can twist the bad first party support of Sony and MS as a thing that is bad for Nintendo. But that's all insincere.

The only sincere thing would be, if you say that 3rd-parties on XBox One sell unacceptably bad. As I showed they sell as well on Switch, this would also apply to Switch.

EDIT: Cleaner links.

Last edited by Mnementh - on 03 July 2018

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Azuren on 03 July 2018
Mnementh said:
Azuren said:

You can argue all you want, it doesn't change the fact that big third party titles like Skyrim, Xenoverse 2, and Doom aren't even in the top ten. In fact, not one has even broken 1m. You can keep throwing all of these comparisons around, but at the end of the day Switch has a solid third party lineup and none of them are in the top ten.

Well, Skyrim is place #48 on PS4, Doom #60 and Xenoverse #102... not even in  the area of the TOP 10.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/games.php?name=&keyword=&console=PS4®ion=All&developer=&publisher=&goty_year=&genre=&boxart=Both&banner=Both&ownership=Both&results=200&order=Sales&showtotalsales=0&showtotalsales=1&showpublisher=0&showvgchartzscore=0&shownasales=0&shownasales=1&showdeveloper=0&showcriticscore=0&showpalsales=0&showpalsales=1&showreleasedate=0&showuserscore=0&showjapansales=0&showjapansales=1&showlastupdate=0&showothersales=0&showothersales=1

On XBox One Skyrim is #39, Doom #56 and Xenoverse #136.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/games.php?name=&keyword=&console=XOne®ion=All&developer=&publisher=&goty_year=&genre=&boxart=Both&banner=Both&ownership=Both&results=200&order=Sales&showtotalsales=0&showtotalsales=1&showpublisher=0&showvgchartzscore=0&shownasales=0&shownasales=1&showdeveloper=0&showcriticscore=0&showpalsales=0&showpalsales=1&showreleasedate=0&showuserscore=0&showjapansales=0&showjapansales=1&showlastupdate=0&showothersales=0&showothersales=1

The sales of Skyrim on Switch are 52% of the sales on Xbox One. Doom Switch sells at 25%. Xenoverse at 115% (meaning the game sells more on Switch). All three games are late ports. If we don't cherrypick games but look at all, I already counted and have the same amount of games that sell better on Switch compared to X1 as the other way round. So if the sales on Xbox One are acceptable, they are too on Switch. Sure enough on PS4 games usually sell better than on XB1 and Switch. But I never doubted that. What I doubted is that 3rd-parties do so much worse than on XB1, and data shows I'm right.

You can cherry-pick your games you look at, you can compare games that aren't sold, you can twist the bad first party support of Sony and MS as a thing that is bad for Nintendo. But that's all insincere.

The only sincere thing would be, if you say that 3rd-parties on XBox One sell unacceptably bad. As I showed they sell as well on Switch, this would also apply to Switch.

Not even going to respond, your stubborn ass just broke the thread with those links.



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routsounmanman on 03 July 2018
Mnementh said:
Azuren said:

You can argue all you want, it doesn't change the fact that big third party titles like Skyrim, Xenoverse 2, and Doom aren't even in the top ten. In fact, not one has even broken 1m. You can keep throwing all of these comparisons around, but at the end of the day Switch has a solid third party lineup and none of them are in the top ten.

Well, Skyrim is place #48 on PS4, Doom #60 and Xenoverse #102... not even in  the area of the TOP 10. [source]

On XBox One Skyrim is #39, Doom #56 and Xenoverse #136. [source]

The sales of Skyrim on Switch are 52% of the sales on Xbox One. Doom Switch sells at 25%. Xenoverse at 115% (meaning the game sells more on Switch). All three games are late ports. If we don't cherrypick games but look at all, I already counted and have the same amount of games that sell better on Switch compared to X1 as the other way round. So if the sales on Xbox One are acceptable, they are too on Switch. Sure enough on PS4 games usually sell better than on XB1 and Switch. But I never doubted that. What I doubted is that 3rd-parties do so much worse than on XB1, and data shows I'm right.

You can cherry-pick your games you look at, you can compare games that aren't sold, you can twist the bad first party support of Sony and MS as a thing that is bad for Nintendo. But that's all insincere.

The only sincere thing would be, if you say that 3rd-parties on XBox One sell unacceptably bad. As I showed they sell as well on Switch, this would also apply to Switch.

EDIT: Cleaner links.

I don't get why you keep on arguing about this, people obviously believe that it's more probable that 18m people have an agenda against 3rd parties rather than the other way around (3rd parties against Nintendo systems), even when presenting data. You're wasting your breath here.



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Azuren on 03 July 2018
routsounmanman said:
Mnementh said:

Well, Skyrim is place #48 on PS4, Doom #60 and Xenoverse #102... not even in  the area of the TOP 10. [source]

On XBox One Skyrim is #39, Doom #56 and Xenoverse #136. [source]

The sales of Skyrim on Switch are 52% of the sales on Xbox One. Doom Switch sells at 25%. Xenoverse at 115% (meaning the game sells more on Switch). All three games are late ports. If we don't cherrypick games but look at all, I already counted and have the same amount of games that sell better on Switch compared to X1 as the other way round. So if the sales on Xbox One are acceptable, they are too on Switch. Sure enough on PS4 games usually sell better than on XB1 and Switch. But I never doubted that. What I doubted is that 3rd-parties do so much worse than on XB1, and data shows I'm right.

You can cherry-pick your games you look at, you can compare games that aren't sold, you can twist the bad first party support of Sony and MS as a thing that is bad for Nintendo. But that's all insincere.

The only sincere thing would be, if you say that 3rd-parties on XBox One sell unacceptably bad. As I showed they sell as well on Switch, this would also apply to Switch.

EDIT: Cleaner links.

I don't get why you keep on arguing about this, people obviously believe that it's more probable that 18m people have an agenda against 3rd parties rather than the other way around (3rd parties against Nintendo systems), even when presenting data. You're wasting your breath here.

Quit strawmanning my argument. Between moving goalposts and strawmen you really need to sit back and analyze your words.

 

I never said Switch owners have a vendetta against third parties or even hate third parties. I didn't even imply that they don't like third parties, only that they don't like them as much as first parties.

 

But you know, be disingenuous. It's easier to move goalposts and argue against the strawmen you set up than it is to actually tackle an subject.



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Pemalite on 03 July 2018

You lot probably should just agree to disagree and move on from this point. - It's starting to turn into a mud-slinging match.



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ryuzaki57 on 04 July 2018
Nautilus said:
ryuzaki57 said:  Can you give me examples and figures for "all the success stories" on Switch from big 3rd party publishers?

You are a writer and you are not familiar with them?Makes me wonder if you have some sort of bias towards Nintendo.Hmmmmmmm....

Anyway, here is a previous post I wrote:

"Skyrim probably already passed 1 million units sold.Bomberman R too, and if it didnt, its close enough.Other than that, Bethesda has said time and time again that they were really satisfied with Skyrim and Doom sales on the Switch, and Wolf II probably wont be much different in terms of success.Not only that, but they also said that they have more games in store for the system.EA was also really satisfied with FIFA 2018 sales(if we believe VGC numbers, its also getting close to 1 million, if its not there already), so satisfied that they are bringing FIFA 19 over too.Then there is NBA 2K series which while I dont exactly remember them saying anything, they are bring NBA 2K19 so I guess the first game was deemed profitable.And I mean, 1 million is a big number however you see it, and considering the Switch smaller install base, I cant see it not being considered a success.Its just that we dont have many examples of big AAA games on the Switch, but that will probably be fixed over time."

OK, let me recap...

Skyrim probably passed 1m

Bethesda and EA are satisfied

NBA2K you don't remember them saying anything

We don't have many examples of AAA on Switch

So, you didn't provide confirmed figures nor do you have enough examples. You again came up with indies while my question was about traditional 3rd parties. Consequently, there is no evidence of "all the success stories" from big publishers on Switch.



 

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Nautilus on 04 July 2018
ryuzaki57 said:
Nautilus said:

You are a writer and you are not familiar with them?Makes me wonder if you have some sort of bias towards Nintendo.Hmmmmmmm....

Anyway, here is a previous post I wrote:

"Skyrim probably already passed 1 million units sold.Bomberman R too, and if it didnt, its close enough.Other than that, Bethesda has said time and time again that they were really satisfied with Skyrim and Doom sales on the Switch, and Wolf II probably wont be much different in terms of success.Not only that, but they also said that they have more games in store for the system.EA was also really satisfied with FIFA 2018 sales(if we believe VGC numbers, its also getting close to 1 million, if its not there already), so satisfied that they are bringing FIFA 19 over too.Then there is NBA 2K series which while I dont exactly remember them saying anything, they are bring NBA 2K19 so I guess the first game was deemed profitable.And I mean, 1 million is a big number however you see it, and considering the Switch smaller install base, I cant see it not being considered a success.Its just that we dont have many examples of big AAA games on the Switch, but that will probably be fixed over time."

OK, let me recap...

Skyrim probably passed 1m

Bethesda and EA are satisfied

NBA2K you don't remember them saying anything

We don't have many examples of AAA on Switch

So, you didn't provide confirmed figures nor do you have enough examples. You again came up with indies while my question was about traditional 3rd parties. Consequently, there is no evidence of "all the success stories" from big publishers on Switch.

You either ignore the ones that I did give exact figures, or focus on the tiny details on the ones that were deemed successful not only by the fans and gamers alike, but also by the companies themselves(which is the most official you can get).Not only that, but you also dismiss half of the evidence as "indie", which you make them seem and sound like crap for some reason, and just focus on like the one thing that the Switch is trailing behind compared to the others of the 10 things that the Switch set out to do.

Please, pleaseeeeeeeeee dont stop being yourself.You make this forum so much fun!Honestly, seeing you squirming through the facts and strong indications of the Switch success, either through nitpicking, moving your goals, or simply turning a blind eye to everything that is positive to the Switch, is simply too much fun.And dont worry, Ill be here to make sure you have fun too!



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routsounmanman on 05 July 2018
ryuzaki57 said:
Nautilus said:

You are a writer and you are not familiar with them?Makes me wonder if you have some sort of bias towards Nintendo.Hmmmmmmm....

Anyway, here is a previous post I wrote:

"Skyrim probably already passed 1 million units sold.Bomberman R too, and if it didnt, its close enough.Other than that, Bethesda has said time and time again that they were really satisfied with Skyrim and Doom sales on the Switch, and Wolf II probably wont be much different in terms of success.Not only that, but they also said that they have more games in store for the system.EA was also really satisfied with FIFA 2018 sales(if we believe VGC numbers, its also getting close to 1 million, if its not there already), so satisfied that they are bringing FIFA 19 over too.Then there is NBA 2K series which while I dont exactly remember them saying anything, they are bring NBA 2K19 so I guess the first game was deemed profitable.And I mean, 1 million is a big number however you see it, and considering the Switch smaller install base, I cant see it not being considered a success.Its just that we dont have many examples of big AAA games on the Switch, but that will probably be fixed over time."

OK, let me recap...

Skyrim probably passed 1m

Bethesda and EA are satisfied

NBA2K you don't remember them saying anything

We don't have many examples of AAA on Switch

So, you didn't provide confirmed figures nor do you have enough examples. You again came up with indies while my question was about traditional 3rd parties. Consequently, there is no evidence of "all the success stories" from big publishers on Switch.

Add up Ys VII to that list. Also Mario + Rabbids (although that can be considered partly first party), Disgaea, Dragon Ball, and more. Overall, no HUGE success, meaning over 2m or something, nevertheless, data suggests that Switch owners buy third party games, at least on a larger scale than the WiiU or Wii eras.



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