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DonFerrari said:

Sony is profiting on the games for PS4 so they have no reason to stop releasing them. In PS3 they had to go even more out and a lot of games lost money, but I'm not sure that was better output all things considered.

Well that and their system cost more in general, and hardly many devs knew how to properly use the power of the PS3 CPU at the time. They also ran into the situation MS is in now in regards to game ventures, with devs that didn't exactly pan out too well.



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This news only heightens my anticipation for E3. Will the Xbox division continue to trip over it's own feet with a terrible E3 showing? And if so, how will it impact sales in the short term? In long term? Holiday 2018 could be a weaker than usual one for sales with yet another blunder. I thiiiink it's going to be their best E3 show in years, and Xbox will have it's traditional strong holiday, buoyed somewhat by said strong E3, and the continuance of aggressive price cuts/bundles, but I'm rooting for a car crash.



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Ganoncrotch said:
vivster said:

Or maybe they just like the console and only play multiplat games on it with the occasional exclusive? Last time I checked the X1 is perfectly fine to play with.

Guess if your mates were still on the Xbox brand since the X360 would be a tough move to shift over all of them to the ps4 but I think at this stage it's a cool option, you basically have all the same third party support and more in area's as well as getting access to ps exclusive stuff....

At the end of the day I guess there are probably very few gamers with just 1 machine at hand though.

Unless you consider a phone or a crappy laptop a second machine I do believe that statement is very much unfounded and false.



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celador said:

what an absolute mess. the game looked like a 360 game at E3 2017 but I didn't think it would take this long to fix. Maybe the entire multiplayer is being changed just to be battle royale.

xbox one has to be alongside the Vita as worst supported modern console (since say 2000) in terms of first party exclusives. at least Sony had the excuse of having to support another system

I genuinely felt the last delay was due largely to the graphics being criticized. In reality it looked significantly better than last gen Crackdown games, but people want cutting edge visuals I suppose. Perhaps the next reveal will show a significant overhaul there.

A Battle Royale mode could actually be really cool in a destructive environment. Crackdown 3 has the potential to be really unique and ambitious product.

I have a Vita, I'm much happier with my X1 when it comes to 1st party games. Sony had some interesting stuff on Vita, but they always felt half baked and low budget. They never really tried to make something at par with their notable home console games. For example Vita's Uncharted, Resistance, and Killzone weren't as ambitious as the console games. Meanwhile some notable IPs like Gran Turismo and God of War didn't get Vita releases. Lastly and most important, we haven't seen everything MS will do for the X1.



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Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

Together with Days Gone, not sure they will get much limelight.

It's a bit silly to suggest that MS has to up and move it's games to completely avoid Sony's release schedules, which in turn put MS in range of third party bulk release schedules. 

May as well say they can't win at all, past present and future. 

Have I suggested they have to? But considering the first half of the year is quieter, they certainly could give as much room for their title to have attention.

And on your talk about winning, they really have lost the 3 generations they have involved so far... will they win the next? Who knows, but I wouldn't bet.

Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

Sony is profiting on the games for PS4 so they have no reason to stop releasing them. In PS3 they had to go even more out and a lot of games lost money, but I'm not sure that was better output all things considered.

Well that and their system cost more in general, and hardly many devs knew how to properly use the power of the PS3 CPU at the time. They also ran into the situation MS is in now in regards to game ventures, with devs that didn't exactly pan out too well.

I wouldn't say their situation were similar to MS, but sure PS3 games and some of X1 games haven't been met with great sales.



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DonFerrari said:
Chazore said:

It's a bit silly to suggest that MS has to up and move it's games to completely avoid Sony's release schedules, which in turn put MS in range of third party bulk release schedules. 

May as well say they can't win at all, past present and future. 

Have I suggested they have to? But considering the first half of the year is quieter, they certainly could give as much room for their title to have attention.

And on your talk about winning, they really have lost the 3 generations they have involved so far... will they win the next? Who knows, but I wouldn't bet.

Chazore said:

Well that and their system cost more in general, and hardly many devs knew how to properly use the power of the PS3 CPU at the time. They also ran into the situation MS is in now in regards to game ventures, with devs that didn't exactly pan out too well.

I wouldn't say their situation were similar to MS, but sure PS3 games and some of X1 games haven't been met with great sales.

MS didn't have the CPU issue, while Sony did, that's one difference between the two.

You didn't specifically say, but the way you had written the previous post made it sound as if MS is doomed with that release no matter what. This is why I believe it's better to say "they are doomed indefinitely" if the suggestion of releasing near competition's 1st party or third party competition is supposedly going to end in failure. 

Them releasing within the quiet period would benefit them, rather than releasing during a busy and unstable period, that could easily have the title drowned out completely. 

They didn't exactly lose the previous gen outright, certainly nowhere near the level they have lost this gen. It would be nice if they win the next, and the one after, because then we will see a paradigm shift. 



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Mr Puggsly said:

I genuinely felt the last delay was due largely to the graphics being criticized. In reality it looked significantly better than last gen Crackdown games, but people want cutting edge visuals I suppose. Perhaps the next reveal will show a significant overhaul there.

A Battle Royale mode could actually be really cool in a destructive environment. Crackdown 3 has the potential to be really unique and ambitious product.

I have a Vita, I'm much happier with my X1 when it comes to 1st party games. Sony had some interesting stuff on Vita, but they always felt half baked and low budget. They never really tried to make something at par with their notable home console games. For example Vita's Uncharted, Resistance, and Killzone weren't as ambitious as the console games. Meanwhile some notable IPs like Gran Turismo and God of War didn't get Vita releases. Lastly and most important, we haven't seen everything MS will do for the X1.

I would be stunned if it didn't have a Battle Royale mode now, like you said it would suit the gameplay very well.

And I largely agree with the X1/Vita comparison.  I don't think making something on par with home console releases was realistic on the system, but I think certainly with Uncharted at least they did as much as they could. But right now X1 and Vita are my least played consoles ever. But as you said, at least X1 has time to pull ahead a bit. 



celador said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I genuinely felt the last delay was due largely to the graphics being criticized. In reality it looked significantly better than last gen Crackdown games, but people want cutting edge visuals I suppose. Perhaps the next reveal will show a significant overhaul there.

A Battle Royale mode could actually be really cool in a destructive environment. Crackdown 3 has the potential to be really unique and ambitious product.

I have a Vita, I'm much happier with my X1 when it comes to 1st party games. Sony had some interesting stuff on Vita, but they always felt half baked and low budget. They never really tried to make something at par with their notable home console games. For example Vita's Uncharted, Resistance, and Killzone weren't as ambitious as the console games. Meanwhile some notable IPs like Gran Turismo and God of War didn't get Vita releases. Lastly and most important, we haven't seen everything MS will do for the X1.

I would be stunned if it didn't have a Battle Royale mode now, like you said it would suit the gameplay very well.

And I largely agree with the X1/Vita comparison.  I don't think making something on par with home console releases was realistic on the system, but I think certainly with Uncharted at least they did as much as they could. But right now X1 and Vita are my least played consoles ever. But as you said, at least X1 has time to pull ahead a bit. 

It would also be interesting to see if they go F2P with the Battle Royale mode. That's the reason Fortnite is so popular, it got their foot in the door. Maybe MS rather do something big with Crackdown than put out another game that just comes and goes.

I'm gonna cherry pick, a game Resident Evil Revelations was built for the technically inferior 3DS but actually felt close to RE4 and RE5 in game design, ambitious, etc. It was such an impressive effort that it translated to home consoles well. God of War games on PSP were impressive as well, they were notable games in the IP. Hence, I felt Vita was fine in the specs department while the games weren't living up to their potential. Killzone was arguably their best attempt at bringing an established 1st party IP to Vita, but still not great.



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vivster said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Guess if your mates were still on the Xbox brand since the X360 would be a tough move to shift over all of them to the ps4 but I think at this stage it's a cool option, you basically have all the same third party support and more in area's as well as getting access to ps exclusive stuff....

At the end of the day I guess there are probably very few gamers with just 1 machine at hand though.

Unless you consider a phone or a crappy laptop a second machine I do believe that statement is very much unfounded and false.

Really? I would have thought it was common since the PS2 era that it was very likely if you had a GC or Xbox you also most likely would have a PS2 in the house as well or in the Wii Era it would have been unlikely for a person to just own a Wii as their primary machine without also getting a X360/PS3 for "AAA"  third party games.

Most certainly wouldn't consider a phone / laptop with an Atom or something to be another source of gaming, most of those only provide a source of pain.



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Well I think that is ok. I would always much rather a game be delayed to allow for improvements rather than release rushed. So yes, it has been in development for a while. But not as long as other games. And hopefully this leads to some good improvements.



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