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I'm tired of this overemphasis on diversity spilling into our entertainment.

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It's a bit annoying but I don't really care all that much in general.



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You should try living here in Sweden if things like this annoys you, they're taking things to a whole new level here.

Diversity as a natural flow of and in the narrative and setting adds flavor, nuance and depth, forced diversity for the sake of pandering or getting someone or something off your back is not, it's really that simple.



End of 2016 hardware sales:

Wii U: 15 million. PS4: 54 million. One: 30 million. 3DS: 64.8 million. PSVita: 15.2 million.

Mummelmann said:
You should try living here in Sweden if things like this annoys you, they're taking things to a whole new level here.

Diversity as a natural flow of and in the narrative and setting adds flavor, nuance and depth, forced diversity for the sake of pandering or getting someone or something off your back is not, it's really that simple.

Do you want to move to other countries ?



Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
OTBWY said:

The third one is so true.

Not cute ( 一一)

Nandemonai. 



dx11332sega said:
You know what scares me more since ghost busters was an all female cast I'm scared they'll rewrite star wars and have darth vader female ?

Oh, that would be excellent. "Luke, I am your mother!"

And think of Darth Vader in a sexy tight outfit which objectifies women... err... I mean show that strong independent women can look attractive.



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i can not go to the movies easily, as many seem to have as well.

but i dont like it in my video games either OP. EA is notorious for it.



 

bugrimmar said:

This is a rant. Sorry.

 

I love diversity. I love equality. I love representation.

I think it's great that the world is recognizing the need for women to receive equal treatment at work. I completely agree that homosexual couples should be able to get married. I am extremely against racism in all forms and I believe every person is equal. It doesn't matter where you're from or what religion you are.

 

BUT STOP INFECTING OUR ENTERTAINMENT WITH YOUR SELF ENTITLEMENT.

 

1. TALENT is what matters. Not your race or your sexual orientation. So if you aren't as talented as a male developer or director, you still should get the opportunity just because you're female? If you want to get a spot, IMPROVE. Let your work speak for itself and don't use your being female or Hispanic as a reason for your lack of success. It's garbage that less talented individuals are given work just for the sake of diversity. Diversity is good! But not if you're hiring someone just to prove your workplace is diverse and not because of talent!

 

2. STOP BENDING STORYLINES FOR THE SAKE OF INCLUSION. If your story calls for a homosexual character wherein his/her homosexuality has something to do with the story, then go for it. I would love to experience new storylines that explore these real world issues. But if you're just making a character a female just for the sake of showing inclusion and diversity and her feminine nature has nothing to do with the story, it's just stupid! Why make an all female Ghostbusters cast with a stupid ass male supporting character? Does their being female have anything to do with the story? Or did you just want to show people how "gender friendly" you are? The end result is the story becomes stupid! Did you cast black homosexual Achilles because it adds to the story? Does it? Or does it simply seek to rewrite an age old story unnecessarily just for your diversity dreams?

 

3. STOP USING STEREOTYPES. Not all Asians are math geniuses and not all African American characters are jacked up gangstas. Characters in games are just placed there as token pieces to fulfill a checklist. "Have we included the obligatory blonde skinny sex symbol? Check. What about the muscle bound black guy who swears every f@$#ing sentence? Check. What about the dumb Hispanic guy who talks like a meth addict? Check." It's like these people are just casting characters to fulfill obligations. Why do we have angelababy in Independence day? Not for her acting, but because she's a hot Asian chick who can appeal to viewers in China! Yeah! Cast her so we can show our movie has mass appeal!

 

End of rant.

Okay. Lets go through this:

YOUR QUALIFYING STATEMENT: Why offer one? When people offer qualifying statements like, for example, "I'm not a sexist, but..." it's a guaranteed fact that the next phrase will be a sexist one. Why posture as though you care about anyone but yourself when clearly you don't?

Now on to your "points".

1. TALENT. I find it remarkable that all women are talentless in your mind by virtue of being female. But I'm not surprised that that's how you view the world.

2. "BENDING STORYLINES". I wonder if it has ever occurred to you that female human beings, including those of us who are gay, consume media too and sometimes like to actually see stories that we can directly relate too on various levels as well rather than always being expected to view the world through your eyes?

I have some unhappy news for you: YOU, as a straight, presumably white, male belong to the most overrepresented demographic in all artistic mediums. Just to casually throw out a couple of factoids that come to mind off the top of my head, two out of every three Hollywood actors are male and you most likely can't even name one female movie director (and if you can, it's Patty Jenkins because of last year's Wonder Woman movie, which you were probably against the production of too). Similarly, in video games...well frankly, just try thinking of a single game you've ever heard of before that was created by a team consisting either mostly or entirely of women. It's not very easy, is it? And what percentage would you say use female-only leads, because I've been gaming for more than 30 years now and I'd say it's consistently been less than 10% of the total that whole time. I could go on down the list of mediums this way -- TV, music, literature, etc. etc. -- but the point is the same: women, and especially those who are gay and/or not white , are dramatically underrepresented and usually presented as stereotypes in as far as they represented at all. You will say that this overrepresentation of men who are white and straight just reflects consumption habits. I will ask you which came first: the proverbial chicken or the egg. You just don't want those traditional consumption patterns to be made at risk of changing is all.

I point all this out to highlight how selfish and entitled you're being. You use expressions like "diversity" and "bending storylines" to describe representation for anyone belonging to any group but your own. You seem to believe that you are the default sex/race/orientation and that the rest of us are unnatural aberrations undeserving of having our stories told or our fantasies legitimized at all.

I mean how many games can you actually think of that include gay romance arcs, for example, because very few are coming to my mind. There weren't any that I can even recall around when I was in my teen years, discovering that I was lesbian. Did you know that that level of cultural annihilation can be hurtful and cause one to feel very, very lonely and freakish? But methinks that actually maybe that's how you hope that people like me feel because you don't even think of us as fully human.

Why aren't you bothered by the far larger number of movies/games/shows/whatever that use all-male casts of lead characters? Why just when it's girls or women?

So you found the way that men are represented in the latest Ghostbusters movie insulting? Congratulations: now you understand how I felt about the way women were represented in the originals! In other words, get over it.

3. STEREOTYPES. I agree with this sentiment technically, but, given the rest of your commentary on the evils of "diversity", can't help but feel that there is a selfish ulterior motive in the back of you mind.

Last edited by Jaicee - on 21 May 2018

Oneeee-Chan!!! said:
Mummelmann said:
You should try living here in Sweden if things like this annoys you, they're taking things to a whole new level here.

Diversity as a natural flow of and in the narrative and setting adds flavor, nuance and depth, forced diversity for the sake of pandering or getting someone or something off your back is not, it's really that simple.

Do you want to move to other countries ?

Not really, I have a steady job that I like, a car and a decent (but insanely expensive) place to live. I often stay out of debating or discussing things around here though, it gets heated and the population is ridiculously touchy (all sides) and polarized. I was quite frankly shocked when I moved here and learned how divided the people are and how much media attention is allotted to crazies and zealots of all kinds. 



End of 2016 hardware sales:

Wii U: 15 million. PS4: 54 million. One: 30 million. 3DS: 64.8 million. PSVita: 15.2 million.

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In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.

VGPolyglot said:

New characters are constantly introduced in shows/series, and new revelations of established characters are also commonplace. If nothing is different at all then there is not even a point of having a sequel as it'd be the exact same thing.

Did doing the same thing ever stop anyone in Hollywood?

The Seven Samurai vs. The Magnificient Seven

Taxi vs. New York Taxi

The Ring vs. The Ring

Nightwatch vs. Nightwatch

If I get older, I get more and more the feeling I have seen this already. These examples I named here are not mere remakes or reinventions, they are very much the same.



3DS-FC: 4511-1768-7903 (Mii-Name: Mnementh), Nintendo-Network-ID: Mnementh, Switch: SW-7706-3819-9381 (Mnementh)

my greatest games: 2017, 2018

Predictions: Switch / Switch vs. XB1 in the US / Three Houses first quarter