500 is a bargain for a beast
How much should it cost? | |||
400 | 45 | 52.94% | |
450 | 15 | 17.65% | |
500 | 21 | 24.71% | |
550 | 0 | 0% | |
600 | 0 | 0% | |
600+ | 4 | 4.71% | |
Total: | 85 |
Lespaul said: 500 is a bargain for a beast |
If it has teeth, yeah.
I agree though....If PS5 would impress on all accounts, 500,- would be a doable price.
The question for me is more can they afford not to?
PS5 needs to be substantially stronger than the PS4 Pro to give a real incentive to upgrade as due to diminishing returns it needs bigger differences in hardware power for noticeable visual differences. Thus the GPU part needs at least 10-12 TFlops of raw calculating power to stand out visually over the Pro, and that doesn't come cheap. Graphic cards in that power range cost more than an entire console right now, and even by 2020 it doesn't look like their price will be under 200$ by then. Add to this the need for more RAM and a stronger CPU plus the price of all the rest of the hardware and I hardly see how a price of 399$ can be achieved without resorting to an unhealthy heavy amount of subventionning
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Ljink96 said:
Well, the flow of what it meant to be a "Generation" is gone. Everyone is off doing their own thing, of varying power levels, and varying time slots, as for back then every console came out at the same time, or within the same window, and ended around the same time. The traditional generation is dead. Switch and One X threw a wrench in it. We can't even agree that Switch is Gen 9 because everyone has their own idea of who kick-starts a generation. Xbox One X really isn't in a strange position because it seems like a diversion. Microsoft knew it was a premium product for premium users, at a premium price point. But it's leagues stronger than the PS4 and the Pro...technically of course. I just really want to see the route they're going to take and hope it isn't awkward. To not be in another PS3 situation, they have to have a deal with AMD, and hopefully they do, to drive down costs on their end. And again, what gets me worried is their statements on the Switch. Are they looking to retaliate? A handheld and a home console from then would not be satisfactory at this point, can't cram a dedicated GPU card in a handheld device, at least one powerful enough. |
You sre either
Bofferbrauer2 said: The question for me is more can they afford not to? PS5 needs to be substantially stronger than the PS4 Pro to give a real incentive to upgrade as due to diminishing returns it needs bigger differences in hardware power for noticeable visual differences. Thus the GPU part needs at least 10-12 TFlops of raw calculating power to stand out visually over the Pro, and that doesn't come cheap. Graphic cards in that power range cost more than an entire console right now, and even by 2020 it doesn't look like their price will be under 200$ by then. Add to this the need for more RAM and a stronger CPU plus the price of all the rest of the hardware and I hardly see how a price of 399$ can be achieved without resorting to an unhealthy heavy amount of subventionning |
Holiday 2020 is more than 2.5 years away..a lot can happen until then. I remember the 360 giving highend PCs a run for their money at release. And I also remember no one expecting the PS4 to have 8GB Of GDDR5 RAM back then. All I’m saying is Sony are market leader, by far, and in a great position to make some special deals.
Intrinsic said:
You sre either
Or any combination of the above four.
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Nope, I just think you're delusional and you think anything that doesn't praise sony is wrong. I What did I say above that you think is "Wrong", Generations are in essence, still subjective, so nothing I can do there. And I suppose you know so much about hardware, so please elaborate my guy, I'll be here. Teach me something you think I don't know, lol. Couldn't care less about Microsoft Hardware, but what they say rings true. They're not just a game company, their history is engrained in their own software philosophy.
Been studying technology that goes into consoles for some time, since the Magnavox actually. And it doesn't take a genius to look these things up, get off. You have a history of Microsoft and Xbox bashing, and I don't engage in that. At least not since 2013.
Last edited by Ljink96 - on 03 March 2018Ljink96 said: I think MIcrosoft kind of planned this. Now the PS4 has to at least match the One X is power, and I don't see components similar to the One X going down considerably in price unless a deal is made or PS4 doesn't release until 2020 or late 2019. By this time they'd have to either release a 450+ console, or something weaker than the One X at a cheaper price, or like I said earlier, they'd have to have one hell of a chip deal with AMD. But let's be honest, PS5 has probably already neared the end of development and specs would have to be based on 2016-late 2017 or early 2018 tech. This is a really strange position for the PS5 to be in and if they really don't want to ignore the Nintendo Switch, and implement a portable option, then prices shoot through the roof as mobile chips the power of Xbox One X don't exist, and if they do they aren't in consumer electronics yet. I think their best bet is to sell a $450+ console and see where it goes from there. And considering One X isn't Microsoft's next console, it's just going to be really strange. Generations are already dead, this next "generation" will finish the notion of them off. |
This kind of prediction really calls out for a sig bet, you know... Ideally really specific and really gruesome.
(I'm talking about timeline more than minute price differences... which is irrelevant to Sony vs MS hype)
Errorist76 said:
There are like 30 games running at native 4K, even 4K/60 on Pro. It’s not a generational difference at all..it’s a bit of image quality, that’s about it. In very few cases at least better textures. You‘re also giving the X1X too much credit. Having the same CPU as they Pro it means it more often runs into bottlenecks when trying to juggle the bigger data amounts around. Of course there is a certain horsepower difference in GPU power, no one is denying that, but you also need to understand that many developers just don’t care to put a lot of extra work into an specially enhanced X1X version, as it’s the by far lowest selling console this gen..and it doesn’t seem this will change soon. Why invest time and money in something only a few people own? You also forget, that the Pro‘s GPU is indeed more advanced, as it even uses Vega features the X1X is lacking. Optimisation can do a lot if developers take their time. Same problem as with the X1X though. Only few people own it. I stick with my opinion...generations aren’t just not over...they’re even needed for real progression in games. I can’t wait until the long outdated tablet CPU in all current gen consoles isn’t holding us back anymore. |
lol, at that point it's just a PC then, and a not so good one at that if we're keeping costs low. I think we give "generation" too much power as a progressive word in terms of console technology.
Like I said, couldn't care less about the Xbox Brand at this point, but their feats should not be downplayed. And for now, it's the most powerful device on the market. This conversation isn't about games, or exclusives, or anything of the sort. It's about hardware and hardware costs. The CPU is a downfall of the X, but it's still able to push more pixels and at least at the same FPS as the Pro. Any issues that degrade One X performance are at the fault of the devs at this point, not the hardware and yes they have a reason not to want to put in that effort. Doesn't detract from the fact it's more powerful.
If you desire not to be held back, PCs are waiting But I get it, PS has exclusives fair enough.
Ljink96 said: Nope, I just think you're delusional and you think anything that doesn't praise sony is wrong. I What did I say above that you think is "Wrong", Generations are in essence, still subjective, so nothing I can do there. And I suppose you know so much about hardware, so please elaborate my guy, I'll be here. Teach me something you think I don't know, lol. Couldn't care less about Microsoft Hardware, but what they say rings true. They're not just a game company, their history is engrained in their own software philosophy. Been studying technology that goes into consoles for some time, since the Magnavox actually. And it doesn't take a genius to look these things up, get off. You have a history of Microsoft and Xbox bashing, and I don't engage in that. At least not since 2013. |
Praise sony? I am just gonna ignore that.
If you know anything about hardware, you'll know that generations are defined primarily by the CPU and what new thiings its going to allow. And the combined improvement of every other aspect of the hardware.
You will also know that there is no way that the XB1X can hold its own when its still powered by the Jaguar CPU.
You will also know tjat the difference betwwen the PS4pro ad XB1X is nearly identical to the difference between the PS4 and XB1. The numbers are bigger, but generally its the same percentage wise.
You will most importantly also know that both sony and MS are not going to make their new consoles based on tech on the market today (akA 16nm fabricated chips). The new consoles will be based on 7nm chips cause thats the only way to have a generational leap over the current existing tech and still come in at $400-$500. And if you have any idea what 7nm fabrication makes possible, you wont have said any of what you said to begin with.
You will also know that there will be improvements across the board. Not just with CPU anf GPU, but memory capacity and most importantly bandwidth.
I do not bash MS. I say it as it is. Feel free to point out a single post I have made 'bashing the xbox/ms' and i will ask you if whatever i was saying wasnt true.
Funny thing is, you arent wrong about the PS5, you are wrong about next gen in its entirety, everything i haw said now will apply to the PS5 and XB2.
Now please, lets keep any personal attacks on anyones character and or motives out of this and deal with juat the facts.
Some people are actually picking $600+. Trolling the poll or are there actually people who want to see consoles in the over $600 price range?