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Have you tried VR yet?

Yes! 21 19.63%
 
Nope. 86 80.37%
 
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Conina on 21 January 2018
habam said:

Btw for comparison: The first iPhone sold 1,3 Mio Units in its first year, way less then what Nokia, Motorla and co where selling in 2007. Do you think apple should have stopped making smartphones back in the days because sales "proofed" it would be a complete failure ? Or may new innovative stuff actually take some time go gain momentum?

I get your point, but these numbers are simply not true.

The iPhone launched June 29 and sold 0.27m in the first two days and 1.12m in Q3 2007 although it was only available in the US and with a bad AT&T contract in that time. Add the 2.32m of Q4 2007 + 1.70m of Q1 2008 + 0.72m of Q2 2008 and we are at over 6 million iPhones within 1 year + 2 days.



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Errorist76 on 21 January 2018
Hiku said:
xMetroid said:

Y'all know the PS5 will be literally the same console with the same controller except it will be more powerful and it will have Spotify lmao. It's not like finding out what the next generation will be is exciting anymore except for what it comes from accessories and Nintendo consoles.

I've played videogames for decades, and if it's one thing I've realized it's that I'm not looking for new ways to play games. Just new games to play.

Then you're completely different than me. Video games have gotten stale lately for the most part. Always the same. Had gotten bored after 3,5 decades. Not anymore!

To be frank VR is my childhood dream coming true.



nemo37 on 21 January 2018

No. I could see them release an untethered PSVR sold alongside the regular PS5 that has the ability to runs its own apps and games without a PS5 (though even that is somewhat unlikely, but much more likely than a PS5 that is a VR-only console).



habam on 21 January 2018
Conina said:
habam said:

Btw for comparison: The first iPhone sold 1,3 Mio Units in its first year, way less then what Nokia, Motorla and co where selling in 2007. Do you think apple should have stopped making smartphones back in the days because sales "proofed" it would be a complete failure ? Or may new innovative stuff actually take some time go gain momentum?

I get your point, but these numbers are simply not true.

The iPhone launched June 29 and sold 0.27m in the first two days and 1.12m in Q3 2007 although it was only available in the US and with a bad AT&T contract in that time. Add the 2.32m of Q4 2007 + 1.70m of Q1 2008 + 0.72m of Q2 2008 and we are at over 6 million iPhones within 1 year + 2 days.

really? maybe my numbers are off, havnt researched again. But nontheless, apple is currently selling more iphones per months, maybe even per week as they have sold back in the days.  Similar stuff happened to the apple wach if I remember right which actually outsold the PS4 in 2017 but had a slow start in 2015.

 

So first years sales of a new product are certainly not show anything about their long term success. Especially if those stuff is brand new technology, mass market wont just buy it right away.



habam on 21 January 2018
Hiku said:

No, I'm still playing games the same way I did back then. On my couch, with a controller in my hand, on a screen that's not attached to my face.
When I come home after a long day, I don't want to swing my arms left and right to control my characters. Shout commands into a mic. Etc. I dabble in that on occasion, but it's not something I need to make gaming interesting.


There are some VR games that actually work just like that (cockpit games, games where you sit). Some people also enjoy games like Skyrim to be played sitting with a controller, but I definitly dont^^

 

Im completly with the other guy btw. Normal gaming actually got me bored over time because especially in the past 10 years, there were really little changed and the games feel more and more similar. I played Games like Witcher 3, Zelda BOTW, Battlefront, Mario Odyssey and it just got so repetitive in my expierence. I have done all that already. 

Just tried ti get into Deus EX scicne its currently free on PS+ and it wasnt enjobyable a single bit for me (especially the aiming with the analog sticks oa awfullc compared to a VR Gun). 

But I do understand people are different and you may have other opinions about that ;)

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Madword on 21 January 2018

Don't think the question needs answering does it.... VR is just a small piece of the pie and though its great, is still too much hassle to setup/get running. Maybe PS10 would be a combined console in a headset... but not for now.



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EricHiggin on 21 January 2018

After XB trying to force consumers to pay $100 more XB1 with Kinect, and having PS offer just the console for $100 less, with the camera being a separate option to purchase, led to XB paying for it dearly. XB1S and XB1X have not only steered clear of Kinect and VR, but have made sure that anything that is added to the console is tried and true and comes at no extra price. They added 4k BD, yet they kept the cost of the XB1S the same if not less than the PS4. The XB Elite controller, not bundled standard, is a completely separate purchase because of this.

PS understands this, and has experienced it themselves with PS3. Putting too much hardware into one package and expecting consumers to pay for it, just doesn't work unless it's heavily subsidized and matches or beats the competitors price. By offering consumers the choice, it allows for more customers overall in the long term. PS5 won't be much different than PS4 in terms of what you get in the base package, other than potentially having some of the VR hardware built in, maybe. They will again offer you as much performance as possible, for a reasonable and affordable price.



potato_hamster on 21 January 2018
habam said:
potato_hamster said:

The pro has zero exclusive games. In fact, Sony won't allow anyone to make any game exclusively for the PS4 Pro at this time. Meanwhile, the PSVR has dozens of exclusive games like R.I.G.S., which Sony gave away to all PS+ subscribers.

Like I said, we know the PS4 Pro sold *at least* 2 million by June 2017.

PS4 Pro vs PSVR is a completely fair comparison. They're both new Playstation products. They both enhance the Playstation gaming experience. They were both released at about the same time. They're both completely optional from the core PS4 experience. Yet, one has been more expensive since its announcement, has never dropped in price, and has sold more. 

I can guarantee you if PSVR was outselling PS4 Pro you would have mentioned it in this thread as evidence to the popularity of it.

VR is not a completely new medium. I can remember playing Duke Nukem 3D VR at a theme park in the 90's. Just because Sony decided to wade into the VR waters doesn't make the experience new.

The Pro is a 100 $ upgrade to the normale PS4 which doesnt require it. Other then more performance it still offers a larger HDD. it still just sold 20% of the PS4s which is incredible bad.

The PSVR, even during its sale, was still a 200$ upgrade which requires a PS4 or PS4 pro to run at all.

 

I had actually expected the pro to sell much better. just 20% for all it does for just 100$ definitly shows the market isnt ready for more powerfull consoles but just want cheaper consoles. 

The market so far doesnt seem VR ready either yet though,  we will see if that changes or not.

 

The market has always, always favored cheaper consoles. Why is this news for you?

If you agree that the market doesn't seem VR ready, why would Sony ship the PS5 with VR headsets?



dgboweniii on 21 January 2018

It will take longer than that, but yeah if they work out VR it will not be just games, people will live there, work there, etc.



potato_hamster on 21 January 2018
Errorist76 said:
potato_hamster said:

So the week when the PSVR was the cheapest it ever was it outsold the PS4 Pro that wasn't on sale anywhere?!? Incredible!

Do you realize how bad the optics would be if it didn't outsell the PS4 Pro at half the price, when it was being advertised and pushed as heavily as Sony pushed it during the holidays?

So let's be clear, you think if someone has $400 to spend on video game hardware, and they have two choices -The PSVR and PS4 priced at $399 and the PS4 Pro at $399, and you think the PS4/PSVR combo is a harder sell? If that's what you believe you have even less faith in PSVR than I do, and you can't possibly believe is anywhere close to mainstream.


Don't get me wrong. PSVR Sales are mediocre. But, so are PS4 Pro sales. Both products are still trying to justify their very existence, but here you are treating PSVR like it's so mainstream that it's even reasonable to consider the idea that every PS5 might come shipped with a VR headset because everyone everyone loves VR so much, everyone would be willing to pay hundreds extra for it. But today, in 2018, apparently it's unreasonable to expect the PSVR to outsell the PS4 Pro, even when there's 75 million PS4s already sold.

You’re putting words into my mouth (like it’s so mainstream) and are still using exaggerated numbers. That’s not how I’m going to continue discussing with you. It’s become clear what your agenda is. Farewell.

 


I'm not putting words in your mouth. You're treating the PSVR as if its much more popular than it actually is.

Which numbers am I exaggerating?