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Trust me, alot of the issues you have I have. One of my biggest issues with the 2 new movies in general is that in the time from when the Emperor was killed, in the 20 years between 6 and 7. The Galactic republic was not established well enough to then fight off a new threat?

The Empire existed because the person in control slowly took control by the will of the people, he lied and manipulated his way to power, very cleverly I might add. In these films, apparently, Leia has been part of 'the rebelion' still for 20 years, Akbar was a well. What were they Rebelling against all this time? After the defeat of the Empire and majority of it's fleet and those in charge, it would have been a case of the the individual systems to form a new government/senate. According to the first film, this happens (as they destroy it), but why wasn't Leia part of it? Why was there a rebellion still? The rebellion was against the established Dictatorship government, you can't rebel against an organisation not in power (First Order). Why didn't the other individual nations come together to try and fight this new threat that trying to kill and take over everyone?

This whole thing doesn't make sense, to me. But I guess these films aren't about the fall of the Senate, into a dictatorship to people rising up against it, like the first set of film. It's about .... I dunno.



Hmm, pie.

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This may be the worst nit-picks I've seen for this movie and that's saying something. Like, I've seen bad opinions but this one is really bad.
Also SW "fans" gotta stop worshipping puppets like they're the most amazing thing in the universe. Jesus Christ, you'd think the only thing this fanbase watches outside of SW is the Sesame Street Star Wars Special where puppets are everywhere. We get it, you got raped by CGI in the form of Jar Jar. He got you good in the butthole and now you have a PTSD aversion to them. They aren't bad. CGI is fine. And it definitely wasn't used in a bad way this movie

The rest of your stuff is not really worth even covering since it's just word vomit

ALSO: I'm not pretending the movie is perfect. But none of these were real issues the movie had. There are plenty of glaring issues that were not addressed in this "Top 5"



StarOcean said:

This may be the worst nit-picks I've seen for this movie and that's saying something. Like, I've seen bad opinions but this one is really bad.
Also SW "fans" gotta stop worshipping puppets like they're the most amazing thing in the universe. Jesus Christ, you'd think the only thing this fanbase watches outside of SW is the Sesame Street Star Wars Special where puppets are everywhere. We get it, you got raped by CGI in the form of Jar Jar. He got you good in the butthole and now you have a PTSD aversion to them. They aren't bad. CGI is fine. And it definitely wasn't used in a bad way this movie

The rest of your stuff is not really worth even covering since it's just word vomit

ALSO: I'm not pretending the movie is perfect. But none of these were real issues the movie had. There are plenty of glaring issues that were not addressed in this "Top 5"

You put fans in quotes for the people who love the original, but find too many flaws in the new ones to love them. Quite ironic, since if you are a person who excepts something in whatever format it takes, even if it shits on the OG, that is not a fan. That's what people call a fanboy of a franchise. Take Angry Joe, for example. He's a pretty good judge on games and movies, but don't ever take his opinion on something Superman. Because he is a fanboy of him, he will excuse things in his movies, including hurt people's character, that he wouldn't in other films. 

And we don't hate CG. We hate unnecessary and/or BAD CG. Where it's obvious it could have easily been done practically and look 100x better onscreen, and especially in Star Wars/big budget films, looks like it came out of any generic Disney film.

Also, you might want to have a gander at the user ratings on RT and Metacritic. It's not just a small group who were disappointed by the film. Personally, I'm expecting a decent drop next weekend. 



thismeintiel said:
StarOcean said:

This may be the worst nit-picks I've seen for this movie and that's saying something. Like, I've seen bad opinions but this one is really bad.
Also SW "fans" gotta stop worshipping puppets like they're the most amazing thing in the universe. Jesus Christ, you'd think the only thing this fanbase watches outside of SW is the Sesame Street Star Wars Special where puppets are everywhere. We get it, you got raped by CGI in the form of Jar Jar. He got you good in the butthole and now you have a PTSD aversion to them. They aren't bad. CGI is fine. And it definitely wasn't used in a bad way this movie

The rest of your stuff is not really worth even covering since it's just word vomit

ALSO: I'm not pretending the movie is perfect. But none of these were real issues the movie had. There are plenty of glaring issues that were not addressed in this "Top 5"

You put fans in quotes for the people who love the original, but find too many flaws in the new ones to love them. Quite ironic, since if you are a person who excepts something in whatever format it takes, even if it shits on the OG, that is not a fan. That's what people call a fanboy of a franchise. Take Angry Joe, for example. He's a pretty good judge on games and movies, but don't ever take his opinion on something Superman. Because he is a fanboy of him, he will excuse things in his movies, including hurt people's character, that he wouldn't in other films. 

And we don't hate CG. We hate unnecessary and/or BAD CG. Where it's obvious it could have easily been done practically and look 100x better onscreen, and especially in Star Wars/big budget films, looks like it came out of any generic Disney film.

Also, you might want to have a gander at the user ratings on RT and Metacritic. It's not just a small group who were disappointed by the film. Personally, I'm expecting a decent drop next weekend. 

Yes, you do people do hate CG. You hate all of it and would prefer all of Star Wars be done with muppets and people holding the spaceship models on screen with hands visible. 

People disappointed in the film are the only ones that'll use RT or Metacritic. People don't hate them just like people don't hate the Prequels. The vast majority of people are very much fine with them



Here's my list of the one thing I didn't like about the Last Jedi:

1. The whole fuckin movie.



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StarOcean said:

This may be the worst nit-picks I've seen for this movie and that's saying something. Like, I've seen bad opinions but this one is really bad.
Also SW "fans" gotta stop worshipping puppets like they're the most amazing thing in the universe. Jesus Christ, you'd think the only thing this fanbase watches outside of SW is the Sesame Street Star Wars Special where puppets are everywhere. We get it, you got raped by CGI in the form of Jar Jar. He got you good in the butthole and now you have a PTSD aversion to them. They aren't bad. CGI is fine. And it definitely wasn't used in a bad way this movie

The rest of your stuff is not really worth even covering since it's just word vomit

ALSO: I'm not pretending the movie is perfect. But none of these were real issues the movie had. There are plenty of glaring issues that were not addressed in this "Top 5"

CGI does not always look better than real.  So, I supposedly worship Sesame Street, because I know that the Return of the Jedi Jabba the Hutt looked 100% more real that the rubbery CGI Jabba that was created years later?  The Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One would have looked fine in an animated film like The Polar Express, but looks completely out of place conversing with live actors.  Computer generated is not always better.  There is a reason why the Special Edition Wampa was still a man in a suit.  CGI of living, moving creatures/people in live action films don't blend as well as CGI objects (buildings, space ships, etc).



thismeintiel said: 

2. Girl Power, again.  It is more evident than before Rey is just a Mary Sue.  Some people tried to explain away her being so in tuned with the Force, without a single bit of training, because it would be revealed later that her father or mother, or both, were great Jedis.  Welp, surprise, she's a big nobody.  Sold into slavery for some cash.  Now, don't get me wrong, anyone can be a Jedi if they practice enough.  But, the fact is, some are more keyed into the Force than others.  It has already been established that the Skywalker line is very Force sensitive, but training is still needed.  So, what's with Rey?  In the FA, she takes on a Jedi, Kylo, that has been trained for probably 15+ years in the force, and on both sides of it.  She can resist him reading her mind.  She could control troops with her mind.  She took on Kylo in a one on one battle.  And was able to beat him by willing a light saber to her, even though he was bringing it to him, as well.  Again, not a single second of training.

Now, for the LJ.  And keep in mind that she gets ONE lesson from Luke, period.  She can stare in the Dark Side, instantly, without being tempted by it at all.  She takes on Snoke's elite guards, with not a single bit of light saber training.  And no, her flailing it around all by herself for a minute does not count.  Is once again shown to be Kylo's equal by having the same pull on a light saber, only this time it rips in half.  In what was probably the most ridiculous display, she lifts a ton of boulders out of the way with barely any concentration or stress.  Now, just remember how tough it was for Luke to do 3 smaller ones.  Or how hard Yoda had to concentrate to lift the X-Wing out of the swamp on Degobah.  I guess they both didn't have the right part between their legs.  It's really such a shame, because Daisy Ridley is a great actress and I just know she, and her character, deserve so much more than to just be lowered to the status of a Mary Sue.

 

I wanted to respond to this point as a female and someone who tends to like "girl power" when handled well.  I was a Rey apologist for two years. I had a bit of bias of liking her personality scavenging and thought the actress was good. I excused the abilities as teasing at something and a reveal as to why she could do things others cannot.

I was hoping to see her struggle, to have a glimpse at her capacity and then work to control it.  She spends maybe a week on the island, half of which she is denied training, gets one lesson, and suddenly she can just do anything.  This is insulting and cheap to actual character development and story progression.  When I should have been cheering Rey, I felt exactly like some did two years ago of her being a audience insert power fantasy.

How would I have done it? Nothing special maybe, but I'd show her train, fail, learn, improve. For example, she'd want to swing the light sabre around and Luke would say "Start simple, just moving rocks". Rey would struggle, move a rock, get excited, then be given a larger rock she cannot move failing.  Then at the end when she has to move rocks she struggles, but for her friends connects to the force and pulls off the feat.  Emotional catharsis with clear set up and pay off. Instead, she just does it with no strain or tension.

A character I should adore I now care nothing for. If she dies in IX, I'll shrug, if she succeeds, I'll shrug. 



StarOcean said:

This may be the worst nit-picks I've seen for this movie and that's saying something. Like, I've seen bad opinions but this one is really bad.
Also SW "fans" gotta stop worshipping puppets like they're the most amazing thing in the universe. Jesus Christ, you'd think the only thing this fanbase watches outside of SW is the Sesame Street Star Wars Special where puppets are everywhere. We get it, you got raped by CGI in the form of Jar Jar. He got you good in the butthole and now you have a PTSD aversion to them. They aren't bad. CGI is fine. And it definitely wasn't used in a bad way this movie

The rest of your stuff is not really worth even covering since it's just word vomit

ALSO: I'm not pretending the movie is perfect. But none of these were real issues the movie had. There are plenty of glaring issues that were not addressed in this "Top 5"

I think you need to check the definition of nitpick. He talked about actual plot and character issues.



Lawlight said:
StarOcean said:

This may be the worst nit-picks I've seen for this movie and that's saying something. Like, I've seen bad opinions but this one is really bad.
Also SW "fans" gotta stop worshipping puppets like they're the most amazing thing in the universe. Jesus Christ, you'd think the only thing this fanbase watches outside of SW is the Sesame Street Star Wars Special where puppets are everywhere. We get it, you got raped by CGI in the form of Jar Jar. He got you good in the butthole and now you have a PTSD aversion to them. They aren't bad. CGI is fine. And it definitely wasn't used in a bad way this movie

The rest of your stuff is not really worth even covering since it's just word vomit

ALSO: I'm not pretending the movie is perfect. But none of these were real issues the movie had. There are plenty of glaring issues that were not addressed in this "Top 5"

I think you need to check the definition of nitpick. He talked about actual plot and character issues.

Dude, you hate every movie. Like literally, you hate every movie ever made. I don't even know why you're here



Mandalore76 said:
StarOcean said:

This may be the worst nit-picks I've seen for this movie and that's saying something. Like, I've seen bad opinions but this one is really bad.
Also SW "fans" gotta stop worshipping puppets like they're the most amazing thing in the universe. Jesus Christ, you'd think the only thing this fanbase watches outside of SW is the Sesame Street Star Wars Special where puppets are everywhere. We get it, you got raped by CGI in the form of Jar Jar. He got you good in the butthole and now you have a PTSD aversion to them. They aren't bad. CGI is fine. And it definitely wasn't used in a bad way this movie

The rest of your stuff is not really worth even covering since it's just word vomit

ALSO: I'm not pretending the movie is perfect. But none of these were real issues the movie had. There are plenty of glaring issues that were not addressed in this "Top 5"

CGI does not always look better than real.  So, I supposedly worship Sesame Street, because I know that the Return of the Jedi Jabba the Hutt looked 100% more real that the rubbery CGI Jabba that was created years later?  The Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One would have looked fine in an animated film like The Polar Express, but looks completely out of place conversing with live actors.  Computer generated is not always better.  There is a reason why the Special Edition Wampa was still a man in a suit.  CGI of living, moving creatures/people in live action films don't blend as well as CGI objects (buildings, space ships, etc).

I agree they should not add CGI to the OG. It's out of place. Especially 1997 special edition Jabba. Btw they made him look better in future special editions, 2004 and forward -not that the scene has any place in the movies to begin with other than to be like "Look! More Han Solo! That's cool, right?" No, adding shit to existing stuff is stupid and is sloppy. That's like finding a picture you drew as a 7yr old and adding to it later. It's weird, out of place, and ugly. Hopefully the Fox aquisition gives us the original cuts.

No no no, what I'm talking about is that when people complain about CGI in newer SW films. Prequels, yeah the CGI sucked (however the CGI in ep. 1 aged better than 2 & 3 imo). 

The CGI in SW 7 & 8 is fine. The only legitimately bad CGI to me, was the... weird round octopus creatures in TFA. Those were friggin' ugly. More than ugly. I think it's the second worst part of the sequel trilogy only behind... Leia doing her... superman shit in TLJ. 

Now, like I said, most of those are nitpicks. Except TLJ did confirm Rey is a mary sue, assuming Kylo was telling the truth. Which sucks because I've been defending her saying she was probably a Kenobi of some sort... not so, apparently. Which makes her boring now, to me. Because her being a Kenobi -as unlikely as it would have been, would've been awesome and explained most about her. But no. She's, a nobody.

One thing he didn't mention, and he should've, is how wasted Snoke was. Man, Snoke had soooo much potential -and he was wasted. Yes they could bring him back but in doing so they'd make Kylo look even more pathetic... so he kinda has to stay dead. And... with what happened in the movie, we got, what? Maybe a dozen or so "rebels" (I guess they're rebels now) and maybe... a few thousand First Order troops? What the hell are they gonna do for the next film? This'll be the smallest conflict in the galaxy. Not to mention, a New Republic STILL exists, planets like Corasant are still around. They have their own army if the Resistance fails. Those are glaring issues that should be focused on. Not the CGI, not cranky Luke or whatever. Nah nah, those! Did he mention Phasma? Because that also would be a good point. She's been useless the entire duology thus far and we aren't even 100% sure she'll come back!