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Who do you support?

Spain 139 59.40%
 
Catalonia 95 40.60%
 
Total:234
CrazyGamer2017 said:

Well yes that changed when Hitler took power but it is still democracy that brought Hitler to power and that is my point. Democracy does not intrinsically mean peace as proven by Hitler's democratic access to power. Whereas a union like the EU does mean peace. There is yet to be a war inside the EU proving me wrong.

Hitler most certainly did not come into power democratically so the basis for your argument is already undermined in that regard ... 

There's also no precedent that a union brings peace like we see with the roman empire or the US civil war ... 



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Ka-pi96 said:

How many wars have non-EU countries like Switzerland and Norway been involved in though?

Norway has participated in 8 wars since 1990. Switzerland has participated in 1.



Volterra_90 said:

We live in a country that imprisioned, the same day, some rappers for rapping, and some elected poltician for doing polytics. The weird thing would be not to be frustrated with the disgrace that this country is. We're reverting into fascism.

You should be since triggering article 155 is as almost as bad as the Ermachtigungsgesetz of 1933 during the Weimar Republic ... 



fatslob-:O said:
Volterra_90 said:

We live in a country that imprisioned, the same day, some rappers for rapping, and some elected poltician for doing polytics. The weird thing would be not to be frustrated with the disgrace that this country is. We're reverting into fascism.

You should be since triggering article 155 is as almost as bad as the Ermachtigungsgesetz of 1933 during the Weimar Republic ... 

That article wasn't even meant to be applied, it was kind of a deterrent. But they applied it anyway, and some people in this country celebrate it. I even heard some people suggesting that they should take the tanks into Catalonia to make them fear. My guess is that we don't quite went over the Franco dictatorship at all, it's kind of in the collective subconscious.



Teeqoz said:
Ka-pi96 said:

How many wars have non-EU countries like Switzerland and Norway been involved in though?

Norway has participated in 8 wars since 1990. Switzerland has participated in 1.

Woah, and here I was thinking your days of vikinging were over



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fatslob-:O said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

Well yes that changed when Hitler took power but it is still democracy that brought Hitler to power and that is my point. Democracy does not intrinsically mean peace as proven by Hitler's democratic access to power. Whereas a union like the EU does mean peace. There is yet to be a war inside the EU proving me wrong.

Hitler most certainly did not come into power democratically so the basis for your argument is already undermined in that regard ... 

There's also no precedent that a union brings peace like we see with the roman empire or the US civil war ... 

Doesn't even need to be the civil war. Before that you had the US independence war. Them being part of the United Kingdom didn't bring peace there either. There no doubt would have been further wars had the UK not eventually respected other nations desires for independence from them as well. There kind of was in the case of Ireland still...



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Volterra_90 said:

That article wasn't even meant to be applied, it was kind of a deterrent. But they applied it anyway, and some people in this country celebrate it. I even heard some people suggesting that they should take the tanks into Catalonia to make them fear. My guess is that we don't quite went over the Franco dictatorship at all, it's kind of in the collective subconscious.

Sad to see imperialism being prioritised over democracy and I hope they like their new "empire" ... 

If people in this thread want to argue that separatism or nationalism is barbaric then expansionism is equally as if not more so than the former because conquest is an act only a nation would think of before WWII ... 



So, every federative piece of a nation that tries to let go of the mainland is a hero revolutionary? I disagree, the US has 50 states, Brazil has 27, should they become 77 nations instead of 2?
I agree that it is a case by case issue, but I do not support Catalunia in this issue, they belong to Spain.



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Goodnightmoon said:

What contradiction are you talking about? That maps shows catalonia being a part of the Aragon Kingdom, so what's your point exactly? That I was right all along? lol


It shows the bully, and where that rotten mindset comes from.

No it doesn't, it shows that you live completely out of reality, just like when you said Catalan politicians went to Belgium to avoid being killed by the Government of Spain lol or when you said Spain is not gonna last cause their kingdoms wants to go despite the fact that only 2 comunities out of 17 have an independentist spirit and none of them were never an independent kingdom by their own, only regions of kingdoms that are now fully integrated into the concept of Spain. You live in a movie, one that takes place 600 years ago.

Last edited by Goodnightmoon - on 06 November 2017

The map says Venezuela recognizes Catalonia
+1% legitimacy

Last edited by fory77 - on 06 November 2017