Catalonia declares independence. Puigdemont free to roam Belgium.

[Goodnightmoon]

mutantsushi said:

Goodnightmoon said:

Here in spain the left was against this independentist process too, even Podemos and Izquierda Unida (far left) said they didn't supported the referendum and the declaration of independence, PSOE not only that but also was in favour of the harsh Article 155 that PP applied. However in the rest of Europe this independent process is perceived as a leftist thing, when that's ridiculous, the president of Catalonia (Puigdemont) belongs to right-wing political party, but people see what they want to see.

To me, saying "let's do it in legal referendum sometime in future" is not a policy expressing opposition to nationalist separatism.
Maybe that's a nice democratic approach, but it's still pandering to their agenda, not expressly opposing it's fundamental concept.
It's still herded between two brands of nationalism, why support that but not demand left agenda referendums or assemblies? 

I don't know, it's a difficult situation, what with the significant of people who are somehow affiliated to nationalist project.

At least the new national football jersey is nice.

Very polemic jersey but yeah I like it too.

Well in a democracy you cannot just ignore the voice of the people, something PP always does, if 2milion Catalans want to go and the majority wants to have a chance to vote, then eventually you have to do something about it, so I agree with the left there, but just as them, I do not agree with this process because it was a fucking antidemocratic joke, yet many are only seeing what Spain did wrong while ignoring that Catalonia just made a Coup D´Etat following the voice of a minority and for purely egotistical and nationalistic reasons. I'm sure in the right conditions they would vote to stay, but after all the manipulation of the Government of catalonia and after all the violence of the government of Spain, now I'm not sure anymore.

Last edited by Goodnightmoon - on 08 November 2017