Catalonia declares independence. Puigdemont free to roam Belgium.

[Goodnightmoon]

Nem said:

Goodnightmoon said:

Wow, you definitely have no solution, the level of ignorance and the number of alternative facts you use is just downright embarrassing, specially with those attacks against me and my country for what's happening in Catalonia even when me (and the majority of Spaniards) want Catalonia to have its legal referendum and I have condemened the Government of Spain multiple times for how badly has handled this, which, by the way, its a Government ruled by a political party with less than 8m votes in a country with 46m people, yet you want to think the whole of Spain agrees with them.

You have a child mentality, evil vs good, black vs white, you see all of this like a medieval fantasy and are unable to see the complexity inside, you just want to see a country of bad people opressing a country of poor good people cause that's easy enough for you to understand. 

Your coment about the Basc Country already showcases a mindblowing level of ignorance, we killed Bascs? What the fuck are you talking about? Franco? Are you suggesting what Franco did was our fault? You should be deeply ashamed of saying such thing.

You say the fact that independence is illegal in our Constitution (a Constitution approved by 90% of Catalonia, highest level of approval in any comunity of Spain) shows how imperialist and bully Spain is, meanwhile in your own country all independentist political parties are considered illegal; PdCat, Esquerra Unida, CUP,  all the politic parties that made Catalonia declare independence would have been banned long time ago there, what does that says about Portugal then? lol

No, Catalonia never was an Independent kingdom, it was only a bunch of counties (not countries) inside the Kingdom of Aragon, this is a fact, there is no debate outside Catalonia about this, neither in Spain neither in Europe.

Yes is partly a money issue, it always was, Catalan independentism was at 15% in the 90´s when Spanish economy was great, in the moment the economy started going down the independetism went up to almost 50%, if you want to believe there is no correlation there then you are just painfully naive.

You keep suggesting if Catalonia goes away then Spain would start to fall into little pieces, yet another showcase of how much out of reality you are, there is not a single comunity of Spain outside Catalonia and Basque Country with strong independentist feelings, even Galicia, which was once a kingdom, has its own language and feels closer in culture to Portugal than to the rest of Spain, still has less than 5% of independentist population and is one of the comunities of Spain that votes PP the most, so your idea that only Castille would remain is as ridiculous as it can be, in the worst case scenario if Catalonia goes away only Basque Country (which already has more economic autonomy than any other region) may want to follow them, none of the other 15 would want to go, but keep living in your fantasy world where Castilians still wants to conquer you.

The only thing i'm embarrassed of is to share a forum space with someone so close minded.

But it is pointless as you keep passing your imperialist thumb over other people's wills or make the poor case that counties are very different from kingdoms. Yeah dude, it's cause they started to call their ruler king. That is the difference. Portugal was a county as well. Go figure. It's not a king that makes a country, it's the people.

So, what is your point? You want the whole of Aragon to secede? It is obvious that the will for independence is in the heart of it. What sort of lame case are you making? Honestly... yeah as far as i can say, the surrounding regions should have the right to choose wether to belong to Catalunya or Spain. But yeah... we know how you will react to that.

I don't know if Spain will fall to pieces, but if given the choice i do think that more regions will secede. But the case of Spain falling to pieces was given by other apologists here, not me as an excuse as to Catalans wanting independence was a bad thing.

 

Also lol? Why do you think i fear Castillians? You do know they tried and got their asses kicked? Twice. So yeah... nice logic.

County: "A county is a geographical region of a country used for administrative or other purposes"

A geographical region of a country/kingdom is not equivalent to a country or a kingdom, can you understand that or is too much for you? Catalonia was never independent, it was always a region of Aragon and Aragon decided to unite with Castille, they didn't conquered Catalonia, stop being so ignorant.

The surrounded regions don't want to go away; Valencia, Balearic Islands and Aragon want to stay and they were never part of Catalonia so it just wouldn't make any sense to vote for that. Many Catalans want us Valencians to go with them and I personally apreciate the offer, I do think Valencia and Catalonia could do a good and strong country together, the problem is they want us to be a part of Catalonia, but Valencia was never a part of Catalonia, so people here takes the offering as an attempt to fagocitate us and our culture, something that has already been happening in some cultural subjects btw, Catalonia has a loooong history of claiming things that doesn't really belong to them but to other regions, shocking right? I know you want to believe Catalonia is perfect and inmaculated but you are so far from reality as always, did you know Primo Rivera dictatorship in Spain was the fault of Catalonia? Even they recognize that, they got him into power, do you know one of the biggest showcase of violence in recent Spain ocurred in Catalonia 6 years ago when the Catalan police (instructed by the catalan goverment obviously) brutally beated (and shot) a bunch of peaceful manifestants that were protesting against the government? Watch it yourself but don't cry when you discover they aren't nearly as innocent as you believe.

Your philosophy that old kingdoms must try to become independent is deeply stupid, following that "logic" (if you can call it logic) most of Europe would break into little pieces which is no benefitial for anyone, it makes no fucking sense to make decisions based on what happened 600 years ago.

Oh and I dIdn't told you fear the Castilians, but clearly your hate comes from the fact that the country tried to conquer yours centuries ago, which is pathetic, that's like hating Germany now cause they were Nazis at some point in time, you even still calling spaniards "Castilians" lol even to people like me that comes from the Aragon Kingdom. As I said, you live in a medieval fantasy.

Last edited by Goodnightmoon - on 08 November 2017