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Nem said:
Goodnightmoon said:

No it doesn't, it shows that you live completely out of reality, just like when you said Catalan politicians went to Belgium to avoid being killed by the Government of Spain lol or when you said Spain is not gonna last cause their kingdoms wants to go despite the fact that only 2 comunities out of 17 have an independentist spirit and none of them were never an independent kingdom by their own, only regions of kingdoms that are now fully integrated into the concept of Spain. You live in a movie, one that takes place 600 years ago.

You are the one that lives in a dream. The dream that you think you can rule over the wills of others forever.

What they did is not illegal. Your constitution made it illegal cause it's imperialist. They didn't try to murder anyone. They wanted their voices heard just like any citizen in a free democracy expects to be.

WTF?! I showed you a map with all the different kingdoms that were formed and you still lie like that to my face.

Look dude, i know you spanish people. I have family in spain i have been to spain. I know what i castillian is like and i know what a Catalunyan is like. The catalunyans have wanted independence way before now. You are the evil ones trying to stop them from going cause you want to suck on their money tit.

(note: of course theres exceptions, but the ones arguing for spain here aren't it)

Bascs wanted independence not long ago remember? You killed those off or incarcerated them. They did make the mistake of going with terrorism, so they lost their case with it. But, it is still the fault of the imperialist mindset.

 

Like, how you and you buddies here tell us how the catalunyans can't "destroy a country". They aren't. You are just afraid of what it means if they leave. Because then others will step up and the sham will end with just the middle of the iberic peninsula, castille left.

Heck your abusive ways are in clear sight of everyone that visits this thread by the way the poll was pandered with when it didn't fit the agenda of the OP. You come here and try to humiliate Catalunyans for wanting their independence and try to wash it off just as a money issue. It's disgusting. I hate speaking to you guys because i know the bully way is so normalised in you that you don't even have the capability of seeing it anymore.

 

You are full of lies planted in your head. Your country is a disgrace. But, keep lying to yourself. It will eventually happen.

Wow, you definitely have no solution, the level of ignorance and the number of alternative facts you use is just downright embarrassing, specially with those attacks against me and my country for what's happening in Catalonia even when me (and the majority of Spaniards) want Catalonia to have its legal referendum and I have condemened the Government of Spain multiple times for how badly has handled this, which, by the way, its a Government ruled by a political party with less than 8m votes in a country with 46m people, yet you want to think the whole of Spain agrees with them.

You have a child mentality, evil vs good, black vs white, you see all of this like a medieval fantasy and are unable to see the complexity inside, you just want to see a country of bad people opressing a country of poor good people cause that's easy enough for you to understand. 

Your coment about the Basc Country already showcases a mindblowing level of ignorance, we killed Bascs? What the fuck are you talking about? Franco? Are you suggesting what Franco did was our fault? You should be deeply ashamed of saying such thing.

You say the fact that independence is illegal in our Constitution (a Constitution approved by 90% of Catalonia, highest level of approval in any comunity of Spain) shows how imperialist and bully Spain is, meanwhile in your own country all independentist political parties are considered illegal; PdCat, Esquerra Unida, CUP,  all the politic parties that made Catalonia declare independence would have been banned long time ago there, what does that says about Portugal then? lol

No, Catalonia never was an Independent kingdom, it was only a bunch of counties (not countries) inside the Kingdom of Aragon, this is a fact, there is no debate outside Catalonia about this, neither in Spain neither in Europe.

Yes is partly a money issue, it always was, Catalan independentism was at 15% in the 90´s when Spanish economy was great, in the moment the economy started going down the independetism went up to almost 50%, if you want to believe there is no correlation there then you are just painfully naive.

You keep suggesting if Catalonia goes away then Spain would start to fall into little pieces, yet another showcase of how much out of reality you are, there is not a single comunity of Spain outside Catalonia and Basque Country with strong independentist feelings, even Galicia, which was once a kingdom, has its own language and feels closer in culture to Portugal than to the rest of Spain, still has less than 5% of independentist population and is one of the comunities of Spain that votes PP the most, so your idea that only Castille would remain is as ridiculous as it can be, in the worst case scenario if Catalonia goes away only Basque Country (which already has more economic autonomy than any other region) may want to follow them, none of the other 15 would want to go, but keep living in your fantasy world where Castilians still wants to conquer you.

Last edited by Goodnightmoon - on 08 November 2017