The only thing i'm embarrassed of is to share a forum space with someone so close minded.

But it is pointless as you keep passing your imperialist thumb over other people's wills or make the poor case that counties are very different from kingdoms. Yeah dude, it's cause they started to call their ruler king. That is the difference. Portugal was a county as well. Go figure. It's not a king that makes a country, it's the people.

So, what is your point? You want the whole of Aragon to secede? It is obvious that the will for independence is in the heart of it. What sort of lame case are you making? Honestly... yeah as far as i can say, the surrounding regions should have the right to choose wether to belong to Catalunya or Spain. But yeah... we know how you will react to that.

I don't know if Spain will fall to pieces, but if given the choice i do think that more regions will secede. But the case of Spain falling to pieces was given by other apologists here, not me as an excuse as to Catalans wanting independence was a bad thing.

Also lol? Why do you think i fear Castillians? You do know they tried and got their asses kicked? Twice. So yeah... nice logic.

County: "A county is a geographical region of a country used for administrative or other purposes"

A geographical region of a country/kingdom is not equivalent to a country or a kingdom, can you understand that or is too much for you? Catalonia was never independent, it was always a region of Aragon and Aragon decided to unite with Castille, they didn't conquered Catalonia, stop being so ignorant.

The surrounded regions don't want to go away; Valencia, Balearic Islands and Aragon want to stay and they were never part of Catalonia so it just wouldn't make any sense to vote for that. Many Catalans want us Valencians to go with them and I personally apreciate the offer, I do think Valencia and Catalonia could do a good and strong country together, the problem is they want us to be a part of Catalonia, but Valencia was never a part of Catalonia, so people here takes the offering as an attempt to fagocitate us and our culture, something that has already been happening in some cultural subjects btw, Catalonia has a loooong history of claiming things that doesn't really belong to them but to other regions, shocking right? I know you want to believe Catalonia is perfect and inmaculated but you are so far from reality as always, did you know Primo Rivera dictatorship in Spain was the fault of Catalonia? Even they recognize that, they got him into power, do you know one of the biggest showcase of violence in recent Spain ocurred in Catalonia 6 years ago when the Catalan police (instructed by the catalan goverment obviously) brutally beated (and shot) a bunch of peaceful manifestants that were protesting against the government? Watch it yourself but don't cry when you discover they aren't nearly as innocent as you believe.

Your philosophy that old kingdoms must try to become independent is deeply stupid, following that "logic" (if you can call it logic) most of Europe would break into little pieces which is no benefitial for anyone, it makes no fucking sense to make decisions based on what happened 600 years ago.

Oh and I dIdn't told you fear the Castilians, but clearly your hate comes from the fact that the country tried to conquer yours centuries ago, which is pathetic, that's like hating Germany now cause they were Nazis at some point in time, you even still calling spaniards "Castilians" lol even to people like me that comes from the Aragon Kingdom. As I said, you live in a medieval fantasy.

You have so little knowledge of history that it's not even worth talking with you.

Yes buddy, it's all good and stuff. These people are all crazy for trying to be independent and stuff. They should just shuddap and go to jail. How dare they disagree with you!

Pitiful...

Is you the one that is not worth to talk to, you even said the Government of Spain wanted to kill Puigdemont and that Spaniards used to kill Bascs for God´s sake, is you the one that defends the idea that old kingdoms that were once invaded should all become independent now even if that happened 600 years ago, is just an offensive level of nonsense.

The ignorance is not on my field I'm afraid. The government would kill him or incarcerate them if they could. He went to Belgium though and that is limiting their action but they did try to get him back to Spain. They have already imprisoned many of the leaders related with the referendum, so none of this is unseen. Same for the Bascs. 

And i didn't say every kingdom should become independent. I said they should have the choice to decide. But, obviously that is something beyond your comprehension.

But you know, i stopped trying to wake you up from your pink dreams of abuse. Feel free to keep dreaming. Thankfully this depends more on the EU than Spain at this point.

And that's why the whole EU including Flandes hasn't recognized the republic of Catalonia and are defending the legitimacy of the Spanish Constitution lol

I don't agree with the incarcerations, but there is a huge difference between incarcerations and assasinations, similar to the difference between someone that knows what he is talking about and someone like you.

Yes, because you know your history real well, and you keep yourself really well informed. /rolleyes

I do. Meanwhile you only talk about medieval fantasies and alternative facts.