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mutantsushi on 08 November 2017
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Goodnightmoon said:
mutantsushi said:

I really don't get why the independistas get as much a pass as they do from so-called left leaning sector, just because they pose as
opposed to Franco/PP, when they themselves are as much nationalists, never mind Omnium founders linked to regime (e.g. Millet)
who took refuge in fascist Italy until tide of war turned enough that they could safely support the fascists war vs the Republic.

Here in spain the left was against this independentist process too, even Podemos and Izquierda Unida (far left) said they didn't supported the referendum and the declaration of independence, PSOE not only that but also was in favour of the harsh Article 155 that PP applied. However in the rest of Europe this independent process is perceived as a leftist thing, when that's ridiculous, the president of Catalonia (Puigdemont) belongs to right-wing political party, but people see what they want to see.

To me, saying "let's do it in legal referendum sometime in future" is not a policy expressing opposition to nationalist separatism.
Maybe that's a nice democratic approach, but it's still pandering to their agenda, not expressly opposing it's fundamental concept.
It's still herded between two brands of nationalism, why support that but not demand left agenda referendums or assemblies? 
I' m not even aware of any specific proposals apart from vague invocation of 'referendo pactado' which doesn't say much in itself.

I don't know, it's a difficult situation, what with the significant of people who are somehow affiliated to nationalist project.

At least the new national football jersey is nice.

Last edited by mutantsushi - on 08 November 2017