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Aeolus451 said:
ResidentToxy said:
The US is geared towards targeting those of colour. When an officer of the law provides more ammunition for those being oppressed to fear them; this creates more distrust of the system that harms them.

"For Black offenders, the results are once again limited to drug trafficking offenses and to
male offenders. The typical Black drug trafficker receives a sentence about ten percent longer than
a similar White drug trafficker. This translates into a sentence about seven months longer."

- https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-projects-and-surveys/miscellaneous/15-year-study/chap4.pdf


http://www.sentencingproject.org/criminal-justice-facts/


Those who deny the very nature of the US systematically oppressing those of colour are very unaware of this harsh reality. Those who are black are more likely to receive harsher sentences than those who are white. The American justice system is flawed. The US also has a very trigger happy police force, all one must do is compare the US police force to those in more stable countries. The issues within the US need to be addressed and altered pragmatically. Ignoring the problem will not resolve anything.

Did it take in account of the criminal histories with sentencing? I bet not. That data is cherry picked to fit their conclusion before they even started to look at the data. You can tell by the overall tone of writer. Blacks are more likely to go to jail because they are statistically more likely to commit crime.  It's that simple. It's just like the mugging rates, the murder rates and arrests in general. That's at their feet. It's really odd they didn't mention one bit about their crime rates even though it's related to what they were talking about. 

You guys tend to frame this stuff as blacks are being arrested more and staying in jail longer because of racism when that's not true. That's a political slogan. If it was true then the disproportionate amount of arrests of blacks wouldn't match the disproportionate amount of crimes blacks commit or the disproportionate amount of convictions of blacks. If a ton of people were being arrested but not convicted or charged because they weren't commiting the alleged crimes, you'd might have a point on cops but..... For your scenario to be true, the cops, lawyers, judges, prison staff would have to on this conspiracy against blacks. That's just lunacy to suggest something like this these days with all of the SJWs ready to pounce on anything. Also, alot of black people work as laywers, cops and judges but yet black criminals are treated the same. 

How about we just go with the first thing people should have asked themselves on stuff like this. Did the person(s) just commit more crimes and that's why they're being arrested and sentenced more? If they statistically commit more crimes, why wouldn't the cops pay more attention to them?

The first article that I provided does account for previous sentences. Regardless of the fact that black people work within the justice system, it is clear that the American justice system has much more white people representing it. Same with politics. There are far more white politicians. 
America's justice system is flawed, and stating otherwise is regressive at its finest. Compare how many people are incarcerated within the American prison system with any other country and the results are staggering. 

As others have pointed out, the areas in which America's crime rates are more prominent also happen to have much more poverty. Harsh living conditions are more likely to perpetuate crime. When a white person commits the same crime, they spend less time in prison. White rapists on numerous occassions have spent less time in prison than a black person associated with drugs. America's war on drugs is terribly handled. All of this needs to be accounted for, so too does America's police brutality. Whether or not the person has commited the crime or not is redundant; it has been stated numerous times that other countries do not constantly resort to shooting people, or their pets for that matter. 




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ResidentToxy said:
Aeolus451 said:

Did it take in account of the criminal histories with sentencing? I bet not. That data is cherry picked to fit their conclusion before they even started to look at the data. You can tell by the overall tone of writer. Blacks are more likely to go to jail because they are statistically more likely to commit crime.  It's that simple. It's just like the mugging rates, the murder rates and arrests in general. That's at their feet. It's really odd they didn't mention one bit about their crime rates even though it's related to what they were talking about. 

You guys tend to frame this stuff as blacks are being arrested more and staying in jail longer because of racism when that's not true. That's a political slogan. If it was true then the disproportionate amount of arrests of blacks wouldn't match the disproportionate amount of crimes blacks commit or the disproportionate amount of convictions of blacks. If a ton of people were being arrested but not convicted or charged because they weren't commiting the alleged crimes, you'd might have a point on cops but..... For your scenario to be true, the cops, lawyers, judges, prison staff would have to on this conspiracy against blacks. That's just lunacy to suggest something like this these days with all of the SJWs ready to pounce on anything. Also, alot of black people work as laywers, cops and judges but yet black criminals are treated the same. 

How about we just go with the first thing people should have asked themselves on stuff like this. Did the person(s) just commit more crimes and that's why they're being arrested and sentenced more? If they statistically commit more crimes, why wouldn't the cops pay more attention to them?

The first article that I provided does account for previous sentences. Regardless of the fact that black people work within the justice system, it is clear that the American justice system has much more white people representing it. Same with politics. There are far more white politicians. 
America's justice system is flawed, and stating otherwise is regressive at its finest. Compare how many people are incarcerated within the American prison system with any other country and the results are staggering. 

As others have pointed out, the areas in which America's crime rates are more prominent also happen to have much more poverty. Harsh living conditions are more likely to perpetuate crime. When a white person commits the same crime, they spend less time in prison. White rapists on numerous occassions have spent less time in prison than a black person associated with drugs. America's war on drugs is terribly handled. All of this needs to be accounted for, so too does America's police brutality. Whether or not the person has commited the crime or not is redundant; it has been stated numerous times that other countries do not constantly resort to shooting people, or their pets for that matter. 


What you sourced only listed statistics that perpuate a false narrative that's beneficial to a certain politcal party. It's obviously biased because it didn't show any stats on black crime rates or compare things of equal nature. That data is relevent to the info they were looking at. it has everything to do with why more blacks are' in the justice system in the first place.

Who really gives a fuck how many of any race is where. I hate identity politics..... "Let's fight racism by being racist" "Let's fight sexism by being sexist" If they're qualified for job, that's the only basis for them to be there. If people in a district elects someone because they like that person, that's good enough. It doesn't matter how many white people are where because the vast majority of white people (people in general, too) are good people that are capable of not being racist. What matters is if any person is being barred from things like that based on their race, creed, sex or political affliation. The end result doesn't matter if people are not barred from anything because it will come down to people having their own choice with what they want to do. 

You only care about the end result that everything has to be split even but that's beyond irrational because the real world doesn't work like that. If you look at any country or place on earth, no race or sex is split even on anything.  Some people act differently than others and that will change the result. 

Please don't try to talk to me about regressive actions when "progressives" spread it all around. 



Aeolus451 said:
ResidentToxy said:
The US is geared towards targeting those of colour. When an officer of the law provides more ammunition for those being oppressed to fear them; this creates more distrust of the system that harms them.

"For Black offenders, the results are once again limited to drug trafficking offenses and to
male offenders. The typical Black drug trafficker receives a sentence about ten percent longer than
a similar White drug trafficker. This translates into a sentence about seven months longer."

- https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-projects-and-surveys/miscellaneous/15-year-study/chap4.pdf


http://www.sentencingproject.org/criminal-justice-facts/


Those who deny the very nature of the US systematically oppressing those of colour are very unaware of this harsh reality. Those who are black are more likely to receive harsher sentences than those who are white. The American justice system is flawed. The US also has a very trigger happy police force, all one must do is compare the US police force to those in more stable countries. The issues within the US need to be addressed and altered pragmatically. Ignoring the problem will not resolve anything.

Did it take in account of the criminal histories with sentencing? I bet not. That data is cherry picked to fit their conclusion before they even started to look at the data. You can tell by the overall tone of writer. Blacks are more likely to go to jail because they are statistically more likely to commit crime.  It's that simple. It's just like the mugging rates, the murder rates and arrests in general. That's at their feet. It's really odd they didn't mention one bit about their crime rates even though it's related to what they were talking about. 

You guys tend to frame this stuff as blacks are being arrested more and staying in jail longer because of racism when that's not true. That's a political slogan. If it was true then the disproportionate amount of arrests of blacks wouldn't match the disproportionate amount of crimes blacks commit or the disproportionate amount of convictions of blacks. If a ton of people were being arrested but not convicted or charged because they weren't commiting the alleged crimes, you'd might have a point on cops but..... For your scenario to be true, the cops, lawyers, judges, prison staff would have to on this conspiracy against blacks. That's just lunacy to suggest something like this these days with all of the SJWs ready to pounce on anything. Also, alot of black people work as laywers, cops and judges but yet black criminals are treated the same. 

How about we just go with the first thing people should have asked themselves on stuff like this. Did the person(s) just commit more crimes and that's why they're being arrested and sentenced more? If they statistically commit more crimes, why wouldn't the cops pay more attention to them?

Should men in general then by your logic also be targetted moreso by police and subject to being pulled over and searched randomly. After all ... men commit the vast majority of crime. Also should white men be screened more for being pedophiles? After all, they are statistically commiting more of those types of crimes. 

People tend to love this logic, until the group they're in gets targetted.



Regardless of it being a joke. It was a stupid thing to say. Goodbye badge.



Aeolus451 said:
ResidentToxy said:

The first article that I provided does account for previous sentences. Regardless of the fact that black people work within the justice system, it is clear that the American justice system has much more white people representing it. Same with politics. There are far more white politicians. 
America's justice system is flawed, and stating otherwise is regressive at its finest. Compare how many people are incarcerated within the American prison system with any other country and the results are staggering. 

As others have pointed out, the areas in which America's crime rates are more prominent also happen to have much more poverty. Harsh living conditions are more likely to perpetuate crime. When a white person commits the same crime, they spend less time in prison. White rapists on numerous occassions have spent less time in prison than a black person associated with drugs. America's war on drugs is terribly handled. All of this needs to be accounted for, so too does America's police brutality. Whether or not the person has commited the crime or not is redundant; it has been stated numerous times that other countries do not constantly resort to shooting people, or their pets for that matter. 


What you sourced only listed statistics that perpuate a false narrative that's beneficial to a certain politcal party. It's obviously biased because it didn't show any stats on black crime rates or compare things of equal nature. That data is relevent to the info they were looking at. it has everything to do with why more blacks are' in the justice system in the first place.

Who really gives a fuck how many of any race is where. I hate identity politics..... "Let's fight racism by being racist" "Let's fight sexism by being sexist" If they're qualified for job, that's the only basis for them to be there. If people in a district elects someone because they like that person, that's good enough. It doesn't matter how many white people are where because the vast majority of white people (people in general, too) are good people that are capable of not being racist. What matters is if any person is being barred from things like that based on their race, creed, sex or political affliation. The end result doesn't matter if people are not barred from anything because it will come down to people having their own choice with what they want to do. 

You only care about the end result that everything has to be split even but that's beyond irrational because the real world doesn't work like that. If you look at any country or place on earth, no race or sex is split even on anything.  Some people act differently than others and that will change the result. 

Please don't try to talk to me about regressive actions when "progressives" spread it all around. 

Typical. Ignoring the fact that other countries do not submit to this level of police brutality. You also ignored the second article.

I could post this peer reviewed article too: http://heinonline.org.ezproxy.lib.monash.edu.au/HOL/Page?public=false&handle=hein.journals/indana85&page=1255&collection=journals

However, you will probably ignore the fact that employer's have stated that they are more likely to hire white people, even if someone of colour has the same credentials. Because apparently, pointing out the fact that America has racism, is racist. While you are too busy living in a bubble that you have created for yourself, refusing to accept the statistics, those who study sociology and/or political sciences will seek to improve the conditions of those who are impacted. 
Suggesting that I expect an exact even split between race in each industry is very presumptuous. I merely suggested that there needs to be more representation for those of colour and other minorities. 

There is also the natural disaster that occurred in the US: Hurricane Katrina. 
The area that was mostly impacted by this disaster consisted of people of colour. In which the emergency response barely responded at all, and left many of the citizens devastated. Many countries responded to this, due to both the President Bush's and Mayor Nagin's negligence to act in accordance in protecting their citizens.

Denying these ongoing issues that are easily accessed, reveals a wilful ignorance that makes one complicit in the actions of these deeds.



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Soundwave said:
Aeolus451 said:

Did it take in account of the criminal histories with sentencing? I bet not. That data is cherry picked to fit their conclusion before they even started to look at the data. You can tell by the overall tone of writer. Blacks are more likely to go to jail because they are statistically more likely to commit crime.  It's that simple. It's just like the mugging rates, the murder rates and arrests in general. That's at their feet. It's really odd they didn't mention one bit about their crime rates even though it's related to what they were talking about. 

You guys tend to frame this stuff as blacks are being arrested more and staying in jail longer because of racism when that's not true. That's a political slogan. If it was true then the disproportionate amount of arrests of blacks wouldn't match the disproportionate amount of crimes blacks commit or the disproportionate amount of convictions of blacks. If a ton of people were being arrested but not convicted or charged because they weren't commiting the alleged crimes, you'd might have a point on cops but..... For your scenario to be true, the cops, lawyers, judges, prison staff would have to on this conspiracy against blacks. That's just lunacy to suggest something like this these days with all of the SJWs ready to pounce on anything. Also, alot of black people work as laywers, cops and judges but yet black criminals are treated the same. 

How about we just go with the first thing people should have asked themselves on stuff like this. Did the person(s) just commit more crimes and that's why they're being arrested and sentenced more? If they statistically commit more crimes, why wouldn't the cops pay more attention to them?

Should men in general then by your logic also be targetted moreso by police and subject to being pulled over and searched randomly. After all ... men commit the vast majority of crime. Also should white men be screened more for being pedophiles? After all, they are statistically commiting more of those types of crimes. 

People tend to love this logic, until the group they're in gets targetted.

For certain crimes, yes because it makes sense. People need to stop being babies over everything. 



ResidentToxy said:
Aeolus451 said:

What you sourced only listed statistics that perpuate a false narrative that's beneficial to a certain politcal party. It's obviously biased because it didn't show any stats on black crime rates or compare things of equal nature. That data is relevent to the info they were looking at. it has everything to do with why more blacks are' in the justice system in the first place.

Who really gives a fuck how many of any race is where. I hate identity politics..... "Let's fight racism by being racist" "Let's fight sexism by being sexist" If they're qualified for job, that's the only basis for them to be there. If people in a district elects someone because they like that person, that's good enough. It doesn't matter how many white people are where because the vast majority of white people (people in general, too) are good people that are capable of not being racist. What matters is if any person is being barred from things like that based on their race, creed, sex or political affliation. The end result doesn't matter if people are not barred from anything because it will come down to people having their own choice with what they want to do. 

You only care about the end result that everything has to be split even but that's beyond irrational because the real world doesn't work like that. If you look at any country or place on earth, no race or sex is split even on anything.  Some people act differently than others and that will change the result. 

Please don't try to talk to me about regressive actions when "progressives" spread it all around. 

Typical. Ignoring the fact that other countries do not submit to this level of police brutality. You also ignored the second article.

I could post this peer reviewed article too: http://heinonline.org.ezproxy.lib.monash.edu.au/HOL/Page?public=false&handle=hein.journals/indana85&page=1255&collection=journals

However, you will probably ignore the fact that employer's have stated that they are more likely to hire white people, even if someone of colour has the same credentials. Because apparently, pointing out the fact that America has racism, is racist. While you are too busy living in a bubble that you have created for yourself, refusing to accept the statistics, those who study sociology and/or political sciences will seek to improve the conditions of those who are impacted. 
Suggesting that I expect an exact even split between race in each industry is very presumptuous. I merely suggested that there needs to be more representation for those of colour and other minorities. 

There is also the natural disaster that occurred in the US: Hurricane Katrina. 
The area that was mostly impacted by this disaster consisted of people of colour. In which the emergency response barely responded at all, and left many of the citizens devastated. Many countries responded to this, due to both the President Bush's and Mayor Nagin's negligence to act in accordance in protecting their citizens.

Denying these ongoing issues that are easily accessed, reveals a wilful ignorance that makes one complicit in the actions of these deeds.

You're the one cherry picking statistics to fit your conclusion. So you're saying I'm a racist because I disagree with your point of view? How very leftist of you.



https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/unequal-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.html?mcubz=0

This is another article showing black men get longer jail times for the same types of crime, in some cases it's double, pretty fucking crazy IMO. 

Inner city crime is a tough one in general. I think the unimaginable horror inflicted upon the African American community in the past has created such a negative cycle that has devastated said communities and lead to continued pattern of drug use and kids that don't see any future for themselves feeling like resorting to crime. 

I don't know if there's an easy answer. 



Soundwave said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/unequal-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.html?mcubz=0

This is another article showing black men get longer jail times for the same types of crime, in some cases it's double, pretty fucking crazy IMO. 

Inner city crime is a tough one in general. I think the unimaginable horror inflicted upon the African American community in the past has created such a negative cycle that has devastated said communities and lead to continued pattern of drug use and kids that don't see any future for themselves feeling like resorting to crime. 

I don't know if there's an easy answer. 

Hmm I agree about it not being an easy answer. I hate how alot people just attribute racism to every little thing. I'm not saying that you're doing that or anything. It's that article that bothered with that. Anyway, in my opinion, the longer sentencing and longer jail times are likely because of two things.

If you pay for a better lawyer, you'll likely walk of court with a smaller sentence. I'm gonna assume that most lower income blacks (the ones who are likely to commit crimes) just take the public defender versus paying for a better one. I'm faily certain this plays a key part in it.

The other big thing is how judges react to repeated situations/crime commited by the same kind of people. For example, I've gotten a couple of tickets and had to go to court over them. My last name starts with a N so I have to sit for a couple of hours while the judge goes through alot of people. I noticed that the judge wasn't really nice to people over DUIs (affects anyone) and late child support (affects men) mainly because of the frequency of the cases and what they were about. Their tolerance for it wears down.  I'm sure judges do this sort of thing with everything. Also they have access to raw stastics for their area about crime and they get to see people who ended up on the wrong side of the law. So they're fairly informed about this stuff. I think what happens in some areas is that they see black guys in front of him for the same things like drugs or gang related acts than he would a white person so he's harder on the ones he sees the most often for the same things. I think that goes with any crime for any people they see alot of. If they did a study on this, i'm sure that nonwhite judges handle their cases no differently than the white ones.



Soundwave said:

Also what would be the reaction if a black motorist made a joke about killing white cops upon greeting a police officer? Har har, I doubt it would be so lenient and "oh hahaha, sarcasm". Could probably end up getting some people killed in that situation as the cop would freak out.

This cop shouldn't be put on "leave". Seems like every cop just gets put on leave ... even when they freaking shoot someone to death in a non-violent situation. How about he just gets fired, like a normal person would at any job for misconduct? 

I wanted to browse through the comments first to see if anyone would point this out before I would.

People, how many of you work somewhere that would allow you to make such a comment to a customer and get away scot-free if your employer found out?

Remember when Ryan (Spurgeon) made a thread about a year or so ago saying that he was fired from Wal-Mart for not reporting on his coworker who made a pro Nazi or pro Hitler display (something along those lines, I can't remember exactly, but it was inappropriate)? He ultimately got to keep his job, thankfully, but the company made it clear that this sort of joke wouldn't be tolerated.

Why should our police officers get this sort of exemption? Blah blah blah out there risking their lives blah blah blah, do you think that means shit to a demographic that is increasingly experiencing a disconnect with them with all of the high- and low-profile incidents over the past few years, on top of a guy who thinks it's funny to make light of it?