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Darc Requiem said:
Soundwave said:

I think there's a lot of resentment against "feminism" from guys who have no shot at getting close to real vagina any time soon, sorry but there's been plenty of shit reboots lately, why such focus on this one? Robocop sucked ass too, so did the new Total Recall, are people still whining about those? The cast was not the problem with this movie, the script was. 

The movie would've been poor with Bill Murray and Dan Akroyd or Channing Tatum and Chris Pratt or whoever the fuck "new actors" you think would've been so great because the script sucked, not because there wasn't enough dick in the film. Actually I thought the four actresses did well with what they were given to work with (which wasn't a great deal). The film wasn't bad because of the female cast, it was bad because of the script. 

In any case, get the fuck over it, seriously.

Making a new Ghostbusters was never going to be easy, if it was Ghostbusters 2 wouldn't have sucked ass itself in the first place and that was made with all the same people. Just because you liked something at age 8 and was made in the 80s doesn't magically mean it's some freaking sacred cow. Newsflash: 90% of those 80s cartoons are pure shit if you seriously go back and watch them now. 

Wonder Woman sure as fuck proved this summer that there is a market for female driven action adventure movies, you just need a decent script. So I don't think the approach was even purely wrong. Hiring Paul Feig (the writer/director) was the problem. Wonder Woman is going to outgross Guardians 2, Spider-Man, etc. 

Unlike the other poor reboots, there was concerted effort to insult and denigrate anyone that dared to dislike Ghostbusters. Sony, the cast, and media in general painted anyone that didn't like the movie as an misogynistic, basement dwelling virgin. Heck your opening paragraph is perfect example of what people that dared to not like Ghostbusters had to deal with.

People criticizing Robocop and Total Recall didn't face the same vitriol. I know because I didn't like any of those movies. Only with Ghostbusters was not liking the movie met with venomous insults. Immature people with an agenda just could not comprehend that the general public just thought the movie was bad.

This. It also doesn't do any good calling the people who didn't like it as basement dwellers who have never gotten any by the cast, director, and people like Soundwave.  Do these people realize that most criticizing the movie and/or modern feminism actually do have wives/girlfriends? And that there are plenty of women who agree with them?  

 

I'm sure they do. But why have an actual debate when it's so much easier to insult people.



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thismeintiel said:
Darc Requiem said:

Unlike the other poor reboots, there was concerted effort to insult and denigrate anyone that dared to dislike Ghostbusters. Sony, the cast, and media in general painted anyone that didn't like the movie as an misogynistic, basement dwelling virgin. Heck your opening paragraph is perfect example of what people that dared to not like Ghostbusters had to deal with.

People criticizing Robocop and Total Recall didn't face the same vitriol. I know because I didn't like any of those movies. Only with Ghostbusters was not liking the movie met with venomous insults. Immature people with an agenda just could not comprehend that the general public just thought the movie was bad.

This. It also doesn't do any good calling the people who didn't like it as basement dwellers who have never gotten any by the cast, director, and people like Soundwave.  Do these people realize that most criticizing the movie and/or modern feminism actually do have wives/girlfriends? And that there are plenty of women who agree with them?  

 

I'm sure they do. But why have an actual debate when it's so much easier to insult people.

In my experience the people most vocal about hating women or even vice versa women who hate men are usually not getting laid and are pretty fucking bitter about it. Just my experience though. 

These people are not the "winners" in life, you run into them outside the confines of the internet and in real life and they are total fucking losers. Again, just my experience though. 

My issue was when people started threatening the women in the cast and the ugly backlash, I don't care what Sony did, nothing justified that and those people should go fuck off. 

Fandom is fine to a point, but it gets embarrassing and just pure shameful at points, no one disliked the Star Wars prequels more than me, but I was flat out ashamed of people who picked on poor Jake Llyod to the point where the kid apparently had a mental breakdown. That's fucking vile and "fanboy" communities that encourage such behavior should be called out for the losers they are. 



Soundwave said:
Darc Requiem said:

Unlike the other poor reboots, there was concerted effort to insult and denigrate anyone that dared to dislike Ghostbusters. Sony, the cast, and media in general painted anyone that didn't like the movie as an misogynistic, basement dwelling virgin. Heck your opening paragraph is perfect example of what people that dared to not like Ghostbusters had to deal with.

People criticizing Robocop and Total Recall didn't face the same vitriol. I know because I didn't like any of those movies. Only with Ghostbusters was not liking the movie met with venomous insults. Immature people with an agenda just could not comprehend that the general public just thought the movie was bad.

Robocop and Total Recall and basically all the recent reboots that have all sucked didn't face backlash because they didn't dare cast women in those roles. 

The fact of the matter is the intention of the movie in a way was proven right this year with Wonder Woman ... big action adventure movies don't need to be a boys-only club as WW is kicking the crap out of Spider-Man and Guardians just fine. You just need a good script. Go figure. 

Didn't some of the actresses end up receiving death threats? Really which side was being more immature here. 

And I'm sure plenty of those who bashed Ghostbusters liked Wonder Woman just fine.  So, maybe you should quit with the insults while you're behind.

And I'm not sure how WW is kicking the crap out of the Guardians when the latter is still close to $70M ahead worldwide.  I'd say it's pretty impressive how big Marvel has made that franchise, considering it's a much lesser known IP than Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.



Soundwave said:
thismeintiel said:

This. It also doesn't do any good calling the people who didn't like it as basement dwellers who have never gotten any by the cast, director, and people like Soundwave.  Do these people realize that most criticizing the movie and/or modern feminism actually do have wives/girlfriends? And that there are plenty of women who agree with them?  

 

I'm sure they do. But why have an actual debate when it's so much easier to insult people.

In my experience the people most vocal about hating women or even vice versa women who hate men are usually not getting laid and are pretty fucking bitter about it. Just my experience though. 

These people are not the "winners" in life, you run into them outside the confines of the internet and in real life and they are total fucking losers. Again, just my experience though. 

My issue was when people started threatening the women in the cast and the ugly backlash, I don't care what Sony did, nothing justified that and those people should go fuck off. 

Fandom is fine to a point, but it gets embarrassing and just pure shameful at points, no one disliked the Star Wars prequels more than me, but I was flat out ashamed of people who picked on poor Jake Llyod to the point where the kid apparently had a mental breakdown. That's fucking vile and "fanboy" communities that encourage such behavior should be called out for the losers they are. 

None of which has anything to do with Ghostbusters being a bad film. It's honestly pathetic. Instead of debating the merits of the film, they just labelled everyone was mysognists. It's the type of immature and counterproductive behavior that stifles debates. You had people like AVGN getting crushed because he didn't want to see Ghostbusters. He saw the trailers, didn't like them, and wasn't interesting in the film. They went after him like he was criminal. Comic Book Girl 19 caught hell for saying it was bad movie. It's frankly sad. People like you that toss out these insults are just as bad as the actual misogynists out there. 



Darc Requiem said:
Soundwave said:

In my experience the people most vocal about hating women or even vice versa women who hate men are usually not getting laid and are pretty fucking bitter about it. Just my experience though. 

These people are not the "winners" in life, you run into them outside the confines of the internet and in real life and they are total fucking losers. Again, just my experience though. 

My issue was when people started threatening the women in the cast and the ugly backlash, I don't care what Sony did, nothing justified that and those people should go fuck off. 

Fandom is fine to a point, but it gets embarrassing and just pure shameful at points, no one disliked the Star Wars prequels more than me, but I was flat out ashamed of people who picked on poor Jake Llyod to the point where the kid apparently had a mental breakdown. That's fucking vile and "fanboy" communities that encourage such behavior should be called out for the losers they are. 

None of which has anything to do with Ghostbusters being a bad film. It's honestly pathetic. Instead of debating the merits of the film, they just labelled everyone was mysognists. It's the type of immature and counterproductive behavior that stifles debates. You had people like AVGN getting crushed because he didn't want to see Ghostbusters. He saw the trailers, didn't like them, and wasn't interesting in the film. They went after him like he was criminal. Comic Book Girl 19 caught hell for saying it was bad movie. It's frankly sad. People like you that toss out these insults are just as bad as the actual misogynists out there. 

I was just going to bring up that very issue... AVGN simply made a video explaining why he had no interest in seeing the film where he came off as polite and reasonable as humanly possible, and he was met with immediate backlash by at least a dozen or so progressive-leaning websites and was even attacked on Twitter by D-list celebrities like Patton Oswalt, who apparently had nothing better to after the recent death of his wife than to troll people on Twitter.

It's funny how the go-to attack on anyone who disliked or had no intention of seeing the GB reboot was they must be womyn-hating misogynistic basement dwelling virgins, especially since AVGN is not only married but has a young daughter.  The Twitter trolls even made nasty comments about his wife and kid after they found out about them.  All the people that attacked AVGN and other critics did was make the point for everyone who's been saying the movie looked bad since that awful trailer dropped early last year.  It's not our fault the progressive left decided to hold up a bad GB reboot as the next big milestone for feminism.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

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Soundwave said:
Darc Requiem said:

Unlike the other poor reboots, there was concerted effort to insult and denigrate anyone that dared to dislike Ghostbusters. Sony, the cast, and media in general painted anyone that didn't like the movie as an misogynistic, basement dwelling virgin. Heck your opening paragraph is perfect example of what people that dared to not like Ghostbusters had to deal with.

People criticizing Robocop and Total Recall didn't face the same vitriol. I know because I didn't like any of those movies. Only with Ghostbusters was not liking the movie met with venomous insults. Immature people with an agenda just could not comprehend that the general public just thought the movie was bad.

Robocop and Total Recall and basically all the recent reboots that have all sucked didn't face backlash because they didn't dare cast women in those roles. 

The fact of the matter is the intention of the movie in a way was proven right this year with Wonder Woman ... big action adventure movies don't need to be a boys-only club as WW is kicking the crap out of Spider-Man and Guardians just fine. You just need a good script. Go figure. 

Didn't some of the actresses end up receiving death threats? Really which side was being more immature here. 

Wow, a strong, independent, ass-kicking woman in a leading or major supporting role in a big action / sci fi blockbuster that was well received by fans and general audiences alike... what a novel concept that's never been done in movies before Wonder Woman came out.

Oh wait...

Star Wars Trilogy (1977-1983)

Alien (1979)

The Terminator (1984)

Aliens (1986)

Terminator 2 (1991)

The Matrix Trilogy (1999-2003)

Resident Evil series (2002-present)

Kill Bill (2003)

Underworld (2003-present)

i don't remember anybody complaining about the female characters in those movies.  But then again, none of those film series decided to use their brand recongnition to conduct a gender-swapped, feminism infused social experiment that fell flat on its face and then blame the audience / fanbase for their failure.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

NightDragon83 said:

RedLetterMedia just posted their latest Mr. Plinkett review ripping GB '16 a new one.  Probably their best take-down review since the Star Wars Prequels...

https://youtu.be/AHUV8QLpEAc

Its kinda sad how he managed to make several scenes so much better simply by removing their constant babbling. Shows what the movie could have been like.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Soundwave said:
DarthVolod said:

It's ok, no surprise really with the Marvel Studios avatar we were not expecting you to have great taste : D

 

Just kidding, anyways, if you like it that's fine, I just don't understand what anyone could possibly find appealing about it. To say it is better than the original is just mind boggling to me. New Ghostbusters is not even funny on accident. 

I'm sure that if this had been an original ip with no connection to the original Ghostbusters it would have done even worse. As it stands, it is easily one of the worst films of the last decade, and it is particularily caustic as it mars the Ghostbusters franchise as a whole which stands as the of the best films of all time (I think most people were even looking back fondly on the mediocre Ghostbusters 2 at this point as well.) 

I couldn't even finish watching Ghostbusters 2016; was just painfully unfunny and unlikable. If I was ever going to kill myself I would put on Ghostbusters 2016 on my tv while also having The Force Awakens play on my laptop ... just to make sure I'd actually pull the trigger. 

Ghostbusters 2 already "marred" the franchise, I was only a young kid when that came out but even I knew it was mediocre. I remember kids deeming it "lame" and wanting to see Batman '89 instead. This has been a dead IP since then because Bill Murray hated the franchise aspect of the idea that he didn't want to do another one. 

The first Ghostbusters is fun and witty, but can we give it a rest with the "masterpiece" stuff, lol. Its not freaking The Godfather or something. 

The Force Awakens is not that bad either, sheesh. 

Ghostbusters 2 was relatively harmless compared to Ghostbusters 2016, and it didn't fully kill the franchise ... I remember the TV show and, eventually, the Ghostbusters video game did alright. I don't, however, see how anyone could seriously pitch a new Ghostbusters movie ever again after Ghostbusters 2016 ... maybe in another 30 years I guess. 

I'm not saying first Ghostbusters is greatest comedy every made, but I think we can all agree it probably deserves a spot in the top 20 or something. 

Sorry, but Force Awakens was garbage, and I can't think of anything positive to say about it. It does kind of make the prequels look better by comparison though, I guess that is a good thing?



Soundwave said:

I think there's a lot of resentment against "feminism" from guys who have no shot at getting close to real vagina any time soon, sorry but there's been plenty of shit reboots lately, why such focus on this one? Robocop sucked ass too, so did the new Total Recall, are people still whining about those? The cast was not the problem with this movie, the script was. 

The movie would've been poor with Bill Murray and Dan Akroyd or Channing Tatum and Chris Pratt or whoever the fuck "new actors" you think would've been so great because the script sucked, not because there wasn't enough dick in the film. Actually I thought the four actresses did well with what they were given to work with (which wasn't a great deal). The film wasn't bad because of the female cast, it was bad because of the script. 

In any case, get the fuck over it, seriously.

Making a new Ghostbusters was never going to be easy, if it was Ghostbusters 2 wouldn't have sucked ass itself in the first place and that was made with all the same people. Just because you liked something at age 8 and was made in the 80s doesn't magically mean it's some freaking sacred cow. Newsflash: 90% of those 80s cartoons are pure shit if you seriously go back and watch them now. 

Wonder Woman sure as fuck proved this summer that there is a market for female driven action adventure movies, you just need a decent script. So I don't think the approach was even purely wrong. Hiring Paul Feig (the writer/director) was the problem. Wonder Woman is going to outgross Guardians 2, Spider-Man, etc. 

I think men defending modern feminism are men who are the furthest away from a vagina. The 2016 Ghostbusters movie and its marketing was made to antagonise and silence anyone who had any issue with the movie. Didn't like the idea - you're a mysogynist and a virgin. You're essentially perpetrating the same rhetoric as the studio. Thankfully, the market spoke for itself. Maybe that taught those virtue-signalling studios something but they are too tone-dead to grasp it.

Wonder Woman showed that you don't need to perpetrate the "women are better than men" story to find success with women.