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pokoko said:

It's really interesting to watch people revise history and pretend working with Nintendo wasn't a terrible experience until recently.

This is the company that required developers to rent an office space before they could release a game on a Nintendo system. They also would not pay developers at all until their game reached a certain threshold of sales.

Let's just dismiss everything he says, though, and call him "salty".

Well, this wasn't the case anymore with WiiU, which was the system Oddworld released on. I dunno if he is salty, but he uses alternate facts, as Nintendo did advertise his game, the 2GB stuff, the Nintendo first standpoint (which was not a thing on WiiU which left open space for third-parties first) and so on. He is just a forum user who spouts unsubstiated stuff, because he wants to make a point. This shines a bad light on his point, because the wrong stuff takes all the spotlight.

Yes, Nintendo and third-parties have their problems. But Lanning didn't even name one, instead wrong stuff.

I'm all for criticizing Nintendo, because only with critique there can be progress. But this has no substance at all, so it is useless.



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onionberry said:
pokoko said:
It's really interesting to watch people revise history and pretend working with Nintendo wasn't a terrible experience until recently.

This is the company that required developers to rent an office space before they could release a game on a Nintendo system. They also would not pay developers at all until their game reached a certain threshold of sales.

That's something that happened 2 generations ago when indie games on consoles was a new thing. This interview was like 3 months ago.

If someone doesn't have faith in something, it's because they've witnessed negative things over time.  



pokoko said:
onionberry said:

That's something that happened 2 generations ago when indie games on consoles was a new thing. This interview was like 3 months ago.

If someone doesn't have faith in something, it's because they've witnessed negative things over time.  

Then why he didn't point these things out? Instead he pulls some stuff out of his behind.

I cannot understand why so many try to defend the positions of this guy. This was just all some angry rant without research or any base in reality. This is undefendable.

If people would say: 'yes, Nintendo has problems with 3rd-parties, but not this stuff.' - I could agree. Instead they agree with Lanning. Which does nothing good to the point in question, because it looks now shady, if it needs such unsubstiated stuff to be argued for.



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Mnementh said:
pokoko said:

It's really interesting to watch people revise history and pretend working with Nintendo wasn't a terrible experience until recently.

This is the company that required developers to rent an office space before they could release a game on a Nintendo system. They also would not pay developers at all until their game reached a certain threshold of sales.

Let's just dismiss everything he says, though, and call him "salty".

Well, this wasn't the case anymore with WiiU, which was the system Oddworld released on. I dunno if he is salty, but he uses alternate facts, as Nintendo did advertise his game, the 2GB stuff, the Nintendo first standpoint (which was not a thing on WiiU which left open space for third-parties first) and so on. He is just a forum user who spouts unsubstiated stuff, because he wants to make a point. This shines a bad light on his point, because the wrong stuff takes all the spotlight.

Yes, Nintendo and third-parties have their problems. But Lanning didn't even name one, instead wrong stuff.

I'm all for criticizing Nintendo, because only with critique there can be progress. But this has no substance at all, so it is useless.

According to Wikipedia, he's been working with Nintendo since 1997.  

All I'm saying is, there are people who are attempting to dismiss everything he said because he's wrong about some things.  



pokoko said:
Mnementh said:

Well, this wasn't the case anymore with WiiU, which was the system Oddworld released on. I dunno if he is salty, but he uses alternate facts, as Nintendo did advertise his game, the 2GB stuff, the Nintendo first standpoint (which was not a thing on WiiU which left open space for third-parties first) and so on. He is just a forum user who spouts unsubstiated stuff, because he wants to make a point. This shines a bad light on his point, because the wrong stuff takes all the spotlight.

Yes, Nintendo and third-parties have their problems. But Lanning didn't even name one, instead wrong stuff.

I'm all for criticizing Nintendo, because only with critique there can be progress. But this has no substance at all, so it is useless.

According to Wikipedia, he's been working with Nintendo since 1997.  

All I'm saying is, there are people who are attempting to dismiss everything he said because he's wrong about some things.  

In this interview? Was anything right? I mean, he may have been a point, put he do it no right by arguing drunk or so. That's just my point. You bringing stuff up he didn't. So that's fine, but people criticizing him because he brought up other stuff that is just wrong? Yes, that is OK. We could have a discussion about Nintendo and 3rd-parties, but this thread is contaminated, because the thread started on such wrong premises. Make another thread about Nintendo and 3rd-parties, ignore Lanning and make better points. But this position is just undefendable.

EDIT: And pokoko, you are also losing reputation if you try to defend this mess Lanning said. You usually make better points.



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JRPGfan said:
Ganoncrotch said:

rest of the stuff aside Skylanders is a billion dollar franchise at least during the Wii Era, massive budget, quality title, huge amount of hollywood voice actors in it. What isn't AAA about skylanders?

Skylanders is a AAA?

Ive never played one, my thinking is its just some small silly kids game.

This is where you get to call me out though, because I like some niche japanese stuff that probably has even smaller budgets <.<

It just doesnt appear that many typical big franchises of AAA games are there, that was my point.

From this site which is about the fall of the series but it does talk about where it was during the Wii Era

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/14/rough-skies-may-be-ahead-for-activisions-skylanders.html

The "Skylanders" series has topped $3 billion in sales, with over 250 million toys sold to date.

I know there was a thread on here a while ago about what makes a game AAA but that game through advertising, technology used and popularity I would wager to be a AAA title, the first titles alone have the work of Patrick Warburton (Joe Swanson), Kevin Sorbo(hercules), George Takai (Sulu) and Steven Richard Horvitz (invader Zim) as well as a host of others.

I know you're talking AAA like call of duty, borderlands and Fifa things though right?



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Ganoncrotch said:
JRPGfan said:

Skylanders is a AAA?

Ive never played one, my thinking is its just some small silly kids game.

This is where you get to call me out though, because I like some niche japanese stuff that probably has even smaller budgets <.<

It just doesnt appear that many typical big franchises of AAA games are there, that was my point.

From this site which is about the fall of the series but it does talk about where it was during the Wii Era

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/14/rough-skies-may-be-ahead-for-activisions-skylanders.html

The "Skylanders" series has topped $3 billion in sales, with over 250 million toys sold to date.

I know there was a thread on here a while ago about what makes a game AAA but that game through advertising, technology used and popularity I would wager to be a AAA title, the first titles alone have the work of Patrick Warburton (Joe Swanson), Kevin Sorbo(hercules), George Takai (Sulu) and Steven Richard Horvitz (invader Zim) as well as a host of others.

I know you're talking AAA like call of duty, borderlands and Fifa things though right?

Yeah... also Im surprised Skylanders is that big.



JRPGfan said:
Ganoncrotch said:

From this site which is about the fall of the series but it does talk about where it was during the Wii Era

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/14/rough-skies-may-be-ahead-for-activisions-skylanders.html

The "Skylanders" series has topped $3 billion in sales, with over 250 million toys sold to date.

I know there was a thread on here a while ago about what makes a game AAA but that game through advertising, technology used and popularity I would wager to be a AAA title, the first titles alone have the work of Patrick Warburton (Joe Swanson), Kevin Sorbo(hercules), George Takai (Sulu) and Steven Richard Horvitz (invader Zim) as well as a host of others.

I know you're talking AAA like call of duty, borderlands and Fifa things though right?

Yeah... also Im surprised Skylanders is that big.

It's more "was" that big really, the last game was a bit of a flop, since skylanders was so huge, Disney, Lego, Nintendo and a few more all tried to jump on the popularity of it and they pretty much ended up choking the toys to life brands to death or near death. Like I said the last game didn't do so good for Activision and I think there was talk of leaving the series to rest for a few years or more. Was sad to see but such is a flash in the pan success story type thing. Great games though, as an avid collector I can't recommend them enough, especially as a co op couples game.



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The major problem isn't advertising. I would not buy their game even if it was slapped in my face.

It is distribution. A lot of Nintendo old faithful grew up collecting game. This was partially due to the high standard in games that used to come out. It become a pride thing owning a nice game collection. Go to any opshop for example (even during the height of Wii) and there be perhaps be 1 Wii game for every 20-30 PS360 games. The wii game would be shit ones and the other console games would be mainly AAA titled like FF COD GTA. Since the PS1 day a lot of those gamers grew up pirating and owning big legit game libraries wasn't a common thing. Not saying that this is true for all gamers on those systems but for majority collecting them is not a thing.

Now Nintendo gamers like me are dinosaurs who will never change. I will ONLY buy physical games, even on my other consoles. Nintendo should realise this and publish the better indy games and get them on shelves. This is what will help sell their games.



 

 

Mnementh said:
pokoko said:

According to Wikipedia, he's been working with Nintendo since 1997.  

All I'm saying is, there are people who are attempting to dismiss everything he said because he's wrong about some things.  

In this interview? Was anything right? I mean, he may have been a point, put he do it no right by arguing drunk or so. That's just my point. You bringing stuff up he didn't. So that's fine, but people criticizing him because he brought up other stuff that is just wrong? Yes, that is OK. We could have a discussion about Nintendo and 3rd-parties, but this thread is contaminated, because the thread started on such wrong premises. Make another thread about Nintendo and 3rd-parties, ignore Lanning and make better points. But this position is just undefendable.

EDIT: And pokoko, you are also losing reputation if you try to defend this mess Lanning said. You usually make better points.

I admit I don't know anything about Lanning at all.  My point has to do with the posts that rush to discredit everything with the fallacy of "he was wrong about this so everything else is wrong, as well."