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Trumpcare Would Leave 22 Million Uninsured But Give The Wealthy $250,000 Tax Break

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AlfredoTurkey said:
The_Yoda said:

They could before, they can now and likely they will be able to go to the emergency room after this bill and not be denied care. This argument is a falacy.

They could before? Only if they had kids. A single or married person not on disablity could not get Medicaid. You could only receive it if you had a child or children. They can now in most states.

Wrong the emergency room cannot deny medical care to ANYONE period. I said nothing of medicaid. 



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Mr Puggsly said:
Zod95 said:

Some? That's more than obvious. In 22 000 000 people, some will definitely be in the "making bad choices" basket. But even those shouldn't be left for dead by any disease. They're human beings after all.

So many rely on Obamacare because healthcare is crazy expensive in the USA. Moreover, do you know how many people rely on public healthcare in Finland? Nearly 100%. And the country isn't bankrupt.

I give you a damn good reason: they don't find a job. People with perfect body, perfect mind, willingness to work, a strong desire to start a career, to stop living in their parents homes, to start a family and a life on their own sometimes can't - find - a - job. You know why? Because employers have thousands to choose from.

Your family is not the universe. There's world besises your family. Entire countries do welfare and it works. Moreoever, we are discussing healthcare, not welfare.

I don't blame the rich for every problem in the world. I just think some of them should experience 1 month being poor and then they would probably have a different view about healthcare, unemployment and even welfare. Imagine of those 4 weeks: 1 starving, 1 struggling to get a job and 2 working on a sh***y job they had to beg to get, while using basic healthcare and having their kids on public schools. Most of them would get those totally new mindsets we see CEOs getting on Undercover Boss. Many rich people live on a welfare bubble and lack total empathy for poor people.

Less resources invested in parasites makes it easier to support people that really need it. We both want people helped, but I genuinely believe too many entitlements ruins people and takes away ambition. More importantly what were doing now is not sustainable.

I would like everybody to get access to quality healthcare, but again our governement hasnt found a way to make it more affordable. Solve that first and then consider free. Dont just throw a limitless fund into it and make everybody pay more.

My family is not everyone but its literally communities. I blame government for creating this

The rich dont need to learn poor people problems. Just make them pay fairly high taxes. But also dont discourage them from potentially creating jobs.

I completely agree with your first 2 sentences. Regarding the 3rd one, stay out of wars and suddenly everything is sustainable.

Make healthcare affordable is not rocket science. Just look at what dozens of countries around the world have done.



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KManX89 said:
The_Yoda said:

They could before, they can now ansad likely they will be able to go to the emergency room after this bill and not be denied care. This argument is a falacy.

Ah yes, the same tired GOP argument that's been beaten into the ground. 

ER access won't do you a lick of good if you're dying of cancer especially if you can't afford treatment which is exactly what this draconian bill entails.

I've been allowed to smile and take it up the ass with the ACA and I'm not defending this bill by the way, from what I understand it sucks too. There were millions in the fringe under the ACA as well that got boned and it "killed". Sorry no insurance for you and you get to pay a penalty that GUESS WHAT doesn't really kick into full effect until after Obama left the white house (briliant move by the way)



Zod95 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Less resources invested in parasites makes it easier to support people that really need it. We both want people helped, but I genuinely believe too many entitlements ruins people and takes away ambition. More importantly what were doing now is not sustainable.

I would like everybody to get access to quality healthcare, but again our governement hasnt found a way to make it more affordable. Solve that first and then consider free. Dont just throw a limitless fund into it and make everybody pay more.

My family is not everyone but its literally communities. I blame government for creating this

The rich dont need to learn poor people problems. Just make them pay fairly high taxes. But also dont discourage them from potentially creating jobs.

I completely agree with your first 2 sentences. Regarding the 3rd one, stay out of wars and suddenly everything is sustainable.

Make healthcare affordable is not rocket science. Just look at what dozens of countries around the world have done.

Our military budget is very high yet still a fraction of our healthcare, social security and other entitlements spending. Our military budget could be 0% of the budget and we would still spend too much. The US has a spending problem and its not sustainable.

Well some countries pay high taxes for "free" healthcare. But they also have regulations that keep the costs of healthcare down. Canada inpaticular is known for long waits and that's because their healthcare needs more money in a country with already high taxes. So I dunno, its a more complex issue than people treat it. Seems like there are pros and cons no matter what direction we go.

I was talking to a someone younger than me about healthcare recently. He said he wanted a cheap healthcare plan that just covers major problems but doesn't cover the small stuff like checkups or other simple procedures. I had to explain to him that's what Obamacare took away, affordable coverage options that made us shop around for simple stuff. When insurance is expected cover everything, nobody price shops so all procedures get more expensive.



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Trumpcare sucks. It should be a complete repeal of Obamacare. Obamacare caused millions to lose their coverage, choice of doctor, and skyrocketed premiums for middle America. Neither one of these plans are worth the paper they were printed on. It's not murder though. That is disingenuous and outlandish.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Zod95 said:

I completely agree with your first 2 sentences. Regarding the 3rd one, stay out of wars and suddenly everything is sustainable.

Make healthcare affordable is not rocket science. Just look at what dozens of countries around the world have done.

Our military budget is very high yet still a fraction of our healthcare, social security and other entitlements spending. Our military budget could be 0% of the budget and we would still spend too much. The US has a spending problem and its not sustainable.

Well some countries pay high taxes for "free" healthcare. But they also have regulations that keep the costs of healthcare down. Canada inpaticular is known for long waits and that's because their healthcare needs more money in a country with already high taxes. So I dunno, its a more complex issue than people treat it. Seems like there are pros and cons no matter what direction we go.

I was talking to a someone younger than me about healthcare recently. He said he wanted a cheap healthcare plan that just covers major problems but doesn't cover the small stuff like checkups or other simple procedures. I had to explain to him that's what Obamacare took away, affordable coverage options that made us shop around for simple stuff. When insurance is expected cover everything, nobody price shops so all procedures get more expensive.

The USA has been the number one medical tourism destination on Earth due to speed of service for years. Nothing is free, including services paid for by high taxes.



The_Yoda said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

They could before? Only if they had kids. A single or married person not on disablity could not get Medicaid. You could only receive it if you had a child or children. They can now in most states.

Wrong the emergency room cannot deny medical care to ANYONE period. I said nothing of medicaid. 

And I said nothing of the emergency room.



People mistake Trump for being for the 'poor class' but he's specifically for the 'working middle class' ...

As long as you're not a high partisan democrat, extreme environmentalist, illegal alien or the bottom 20% in income, Trump is on you're side ... (those in the bottom 10% income range have other bigger problems than who's president)

It's kind of funny to see rich and highly democratic states or districts like Maryland, Connecticut, DC, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Washington and California to claim the poor needs help when the bottom 20 states aside from Nevada, Maine, New Mexico, and maybe Michigan all disagreed with them LOL ...

The only one that really even needs health insurance are specific blue collar workers and long term life threatening diseases ...

The 22 million number is just that, a number what we need to know exactly is how many of them are at high risk ...



KManX89 said:
And the funny thing is, those dumb Trump supporters will be cheering on their own death.

As long as they believe liberals are 'offended', they'll do anything, including killing themselves and our planet



epicurean said:
The democrats were smart in getting their health care bill through, no matter who much it screwed the working class or the deficit. Now whenever it attempts to be changed/repealed/etc, they will always be able to say "millions lose insurance". That is always the lead.

Because millions of people not dying is a lot more important than anything else?

And I don't know why you make this exclusive to democrats. Remember that one guy who promised to insure everyone. He must be furious right now at the Republicans.



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