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Jpcc86 said:

20% tax would just increase the price of mexican imports. The consumers and buyers would paying the wall, not Mexico. To put into prespective, Texas alone imported around $84 billion from Mexico in the year 2015. With a 20% tax, Texas businesses and consumers would have paid an extra $16.8 billion for the same goods and services. Enough to pay the wall (supposedly) and thats a very possible final scenario. 

Mexico is the main  country when it comes to importing agricultural goods to the US, and considering how much the minimum wage is in Mexico and the variety of products that we receive, what we are paying to import those products (nearly nothing compared to other countries) replacing them as a business partner is going to improbable if not impossible. In 2015 US's imports from Mexico totaled $21 billion.  Leading categories include: fresh vegetables ($4.8 billion), other fresh fruit ($4.3 billion), wine and beer ($2.7 billion), snack foods ($1.7 billion), and processed fruit & vegetables ($1.4 billion). the majority of it produced at 73.00 pesos per hour (about $4.30). 

Earlier this week, a shipment of avocados from Jalisco, Mexico was stopped from coming to the US. Mexico turned around and sold the avocados to other countries at a 20% increase without a loss; meanwhile the prices of avocados in the US rose to 96.00 dlls a crate (the "normal" being 40.00 dlls a crate) Price increase, not enough product to meet the demand = consumers pay. The phrase "The guac will be extra" gets a new meaning. 

To tax Mexico would mean to leave NAFTA for either country and to leave NAFTA would mean Mexico can also tax US products or increase the price of their own to cover losses. Its a two way, street. Thats why bullying one of your 3 main business partners is never a smart move. 

Senator and sassy overlord Lindsey Graham had something to say (lol):

Unless...people start making things in the USA and buying things made in the USA, which is Trump's plan. Then Mexico loses big time and will have no choice but to cooperate.

For now, the USA is a net importer and the buyer holds the real power in these situations.



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Snoopy said:
Illegal immigrants cost us 113 billion dollars A YEAR. If a wall slows them down and it doesn't cost us as much in tax dollars, then it is worth it.

Isn't it a well documented fact that most illegal immigrants come into your country through legal means (Vacation, visiting) at border crossings and just overstay their visas. A wall wouldn't do anything to stop that kind of immigration.



Metallox said:
Our government of course is going to put itself in a defensive position, but it can't do much beyond that. Mexico almost lives because of the United States.

Kinda sad considering how much better Mexico would be without the cartels and corruption.



Brainslug said:
Snoopy said:
Illegal immigrants cost us 113 billion dollars A YEAR. If a wall slows them down and it doesn't cost us as much in tax dollars, then it is worth it.

Isn't it a well documented fact that most illegal immigrants come into your country through legal means (Vacation, visiting) at border crossings and just overstay their visas. A wall wouldn't do anything to stop that kind of immigration.

I'm not sure about most, but that does happen, with all nationalities of illegal immigrants but at least in those cases there are records of who they are and where they came from.



Jpcc86 said:

20% tax would just increase the price of mexican imports. The consumers and buyers would be paying for the wall, not Mexico. To put into prespective, Texas alone imported around $84 billion from Mexico in the year 2015. With a 20% tax, Texas businesses and consumers would have paid an extra $16.8 billion for the same goods and services. Enough to pay the wall (supposedly) and thats a very possible final scenario. 

Mexico is the main  country when it comes to importing agricultural goods to the US, and considering how much the minimum wage is in Mexico and the variety of products that we receive, what we are paying to import those products (nearly nothing compared to other countries) replacing them as a business partner is going to improbable if not impossible. In 2015 US's imports from Mexico totaled $21 billion.  Leading categories include: fresh vegetables ($4.8 billion), other fresh fruit ($4.3 billion), wine and beer ($2.7 billion), snack foods ($1.7 billion), and processed fruit & vegetables ($1.4 billion). the majority of it produced at 73.00 pesos per hour (about $4.30). 

Earlier this week, a shipment of avocados from Jalisco, Mexico was stopped from coming to the US. Mexico turned around and sold the avocados to other countries at a 20% increase without a loss; meanwhile the prices of avocados in the US rose to 96.00 dlls a crate (the "normal" being 40.00 dlls a crate) Price increase, not enough product to meet the demand = consumers pay. The phrase "The guac will be extra" gets a new meaning. 

To tax Mexico would mean to leave NAFTA for either country and to leave NAFTA would mean Mexico can also tax US products or increase the price of their own to cover losses. Its a two way, street. Thats why bullying one of your 3 main business partners is never a smart move. 

Senator and sassy overlord Lindsey Graham had something to say (lol):

$21B is still less than the yearly cost of illegal migrants in the US.



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Mystro-Sama said:
Metallox said:
Our government of course is going to put itself in a defensive position, but it can't do much beyond that. Mexico almost lives because of the United States.

Kinda sad considering how much better Mexico would be without the cartels and corruption.

Mexico doesn't produce enough to substain itself. It's a third world country for a reason. It depends on united states or else they will be destroyed.



Lawlight said:
Jpcc86 said:

20% tax would just increase the price of mexican imports. The consumers and buyers would be paying for the wall, not Mexico. To put into prespective, Texas alone imported around $84 billion from Mexico in the year 2015. With a 20% tax, Texas businesses and consumers would have paid an extra $16.8 billion for the same goods and services. Enough to pay the wall (supposedly) and thats a very possible final scenario. 

Mexico is the main  country when it comes to importing agricultural goods to the US, and considering how much the minimum wage is in Mexico and the variety of products that we receive, what we are paying to import those products (nearly nothing compared to other countries) replacing them as a business partner is going to improbable if not impossible. In 2015 US's imports from Mexico totaled $21 billion.  Leading categories include: fresh vegetables ($4.8 billion), other fresh fruit ($4.3 billion), wine and beer ($2.7 billion), snack foods ($1.7 billion), and processed fruit & vegetables ($1.4 billion). the majority of it produced at 73.00 pesos per hour (about $4.30). 

Earlier this week, a shipment of avocados from Jalisco, Mexico was stopped from coming to the US. Mexico turned around and sold the avocados to other countries at a 20% increase without a loss; meanwhile the prices of avocados in the US rose to 96.00 dlls a crate (the "normal" being 40.00 dlls a crate) Price increase, not enough product to meet the demand = consumers pay. The phrase "The guac will be extra" gets a new meaning. 

To tax Mexico would mean to leave NAFTA for either country and to leave NAFTA would mean Mexico can also tax US products or increase the price of their own to cover losses. Its a two way, street. Thats why bullying one of your 3 main business partners is never a smart move. 

Senator and sassy overlord Lindsey Graham had something to say (lol):

$21B is still less than the yearly cost of illegal migrants in the US.

And that 21B is just for ONE YEAR. We then only need to spend a coupld billion at most to maintain it. If it cuts the hundred billion dollars we spend on them now it will be worth it.



Brainslug said:
Snoopy said:
Illegal immigrants cost us 113 billion dollars A YEAR. If a wall slows them down and it doesn't cost us as much in tax dollars, then it is worth it.

Isn't it a well documented fact that most illegal immigrants come into your country through legal means (Vacation, visiting) at border crossings and just overstay their visas. A wall wouldn't do anything to stop that kind of immigration.

Generally the figure used seems to be 40% of illegal immigrants are result of overstays, but that is largely old data and new projections put that figure a good bit higher. Here is a chart from the Center for Migration Studies which puts overstays at around 58%:

PS: The figure of 113billion is also not quite what it seems. First of all, if you factor in the taxes paid by some illegal immigrants (yes, some illegal immigrants do pay taxes), that figure falls to around 99billion. This is still quite high, but it is also pretty much the highest estimate with other estimates ranging from about 85billion to under 10billion. And all of that is ignoring the other positive economic impacts of illegal immigration. It is far more complicated than that original post makes it out to be and simply speaking about the taxes they aren't paying doesn't provide an argument against giving them citizenship.



sundin13 said:
Brainslug said:

Isn't it a well documented fact that most illegal immigrants come into your country through legal means (Vacation, visiting) at border crossings and just overstay their visas. A wall wouldn't do anything to stop that kind of immigration.

Generally the figure used seems to be 40% of illegal immigrants are result of overstays, but that is largely old data and new projections put that figure a good bit higher. Here is a chart from the Center for Migration Studies which puts overstays at around 58%:

PS: The figure of 113billion is also not quite what it seems. First of all, if you factor in the taxes paid by some illegal immigrants (yes, some illegal immigrants do pay taxes), that figure falls to around 99billion. This is still quite high, but it is also pretty much the highest estimate with other estimates ranging from about 85billion to under 10billion. And all of that is ignoring the other positive economic impacts of illegal immigration. It is far more complicated than that original post makes it out to be and simply speaking about the taxes they aren't paying doesn't provide an argument against giving them citizenship.

I did the maths. Illegals from Mexico still cost $30B a year:

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2006/05/22/modes-of-entry-for-the-unauthorized-migrant-population/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/number-of-illegal-immigrants-in-u-s-holds-steady-at-11-million-1474394518

The majority of uninspected enfriea still come from Mexico. And 55% of illegals come in without inspection.



BraLoD said:

It's like the world's most powerful country is being ran by a spoiled brat that has a serious superiority complex because was born rich, what the actual fuck is even happening to USA, how the fuck will other countries take internacional relationships seriously with USA like that?

"Like"? More just is.