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killeryoshis said:

Are you guys ever going to let this thread die? XD 

Someone will bump this thread when Animal Crossing and Pokemon comes out for the Switch. 



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vivster said:
vivster said on 25 October 2016:
I don't really see the problem here. For once a Nintendo console doesn't have a stupid gimmick that devs have to cater to.
The smartphone is a universal concept accepted by every consumer, only that this one can also be plugged into a bigger screen without effort.

Good call, past me.

I remember everyone saying you're delusional. Good times.



burninmylight said:
habam said:

the ps4 wasnt out or announced / previewed, displayed etc. as well when the wii u launched back in 2012.

 

The Switch wasnt out etc. etc. as the ps4 launched

 

so whats ur point?

That the Switch can't compete against something that doesn't exist. What's yours?

its a 9th gen console (successor of wii u and 3ds which both are 8th gen) and will compete against other 9th gen console whenever those gets released.



Why are people here so obsessed about labeling something by generation? The market does not care one bit whether the Switch is deemed 8th or 9th gen by a bunch of forum-goers.

All that matters is that the Switch is on the market right now and is competing against the PS4 and Xbox One. If those console phase out while a PS5 and Xbox Something take their place with the Switch still being relevant, then the Switch will be competing against them instead but that hasn't happened so there's no sense in arguing semantics over what 'Gen' a console falls in.

The market in general does not care. And the fact that it's even debatable makes the whole concept so muddy that it's not even worth much consideration in the grand scheme of things.



habam said:
burninmylight said:

That the Switch can't compete against something that doesn't exist. What's yours?

its a 9th gen console (successor of wii u and 3ds which both are 8th gen) and will compete against other 9th gen console whenever those gets released.

The thing about console generations is that they're more or less artificial constructs with very little real applicability to anything. They weren't even a thing until the 16-bit generation. It began as a marketing ploy by Sega. When the concept of generations became a thing, they were never meant to be groupings of unique competitions. Sega's purpose was so that the SMD would seem more advanced than the NES, which it competed with for half of its existence, and then the SNES for the later half - when Sega adjusted its attack by saying the SNES lacked blast-processing. Both blast processing and generations of unrelated consoles are fictional constructs.

The reality is, PS4 and Switch are competing against each other. If there's any generational measurement to be made, it's that the PS4 is Sony's 4th generation home console, and the Switch is Nintendo's 7th generation home console.



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Can't wait to see Nintendo Q3 result with Smash and Let's P/E on it.
My prediction for Switch software LTD at the end of 2018

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe = 16.2M
Super Mario Odyssey = 15.1M
Zelda Breath of the wild = 14M(NS+WIIU)
Splatoon 2 = 10.61M
Smash Ultimate = 8.8M
Pokemon Let's GO P/E = 7.5M

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is going to surpass SMO without a doubt.
NPD MK8D>SMO
GFK MK8D>SMO
MC MK8D>SMO



You are right and you are wrong.

Your points are valid. In the AAA 3rd party market, the switch will never make it very far, especially with the next PS/X coming out in a couple of years. Aslong as Nintendo have an underpowered system, AAA third party support will always be weak.
But, what the switch can have is the japanese portable third party market. With the Vita done, japanese developers have to either go for the switch or completely go home console on the PS4.

So, i think anyone buying a switch has to understand it's a Nintendo system and it's not gonna offer anything different from the Wii U with a pinch of 3DS.

Now, it is also a fact that it's selling well. That is still a bit of a mistery. Who is buying it, if it's not a competent home console? I can only think it's the same people that bought a 3DS. It's a decently big enough crowd to support the system, but is that a sucess? Cause at that point we are comparing Wii U+3DS to switch. Is the switch truly a sucess when seen from that angle? Will it be able to grow that market? I have my doubts, but we'll see.



Nem said:

Now, it is also a fact that it's selling well. That is still a bit of a mistery. Who is buying it, if it's not a competent home console? I can only think it's the same people that bought a 3DS. It's a decently big enough crowd to support the system, but is that a sucess? Cause at that point we are comparing Wii U+3DS to switch. Is the switch truly a sucess when seen from that angle? Will it be able to grow that market? I have my doubts, but we'll see.

There is no mystery at all why Switch is so popular and why is selling so good, its very obvius: great concept that other consoles dont offer, great exclusives and great marketing and branding. You mentioned 3DS, but reality is that Switch is selling better than 3DS in same timer period despite fact that 3DS need to have huge price cut only after 6 months after launch in order to sell while Switch is still selling very good whithout any bundle or price cut. Talking about sucess, Switch is far more profatible for Nintendo than 3DS and Wii U combined were (both were selling with losses on start).

About point who exatly is buying Switch: Nintendo fans, generaly handhelds fans, family/casual players, PS4/XB1/PC owners also...NPD said that over 40% of Switch owners in the US also owned a PS4.

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Thread starter should come here and take the L like a man.



Nem said:
You are right and you are wrong.

Your points are valid. In the AAA 3rd party market, the switch will never make it very far, especially with the next PS/X coming out in a couple of years. Aslong as Nintendo have an underpowered system, AAA third party support will always be weak.
But, what the switch can have is the japanese portable third party market. With the Vita done, japanese developers have to either go for the switch or completely go home console on the PS4.

So, i think anyone buying a switch has to understand it's a Nintendo system and it's not gonna offer anything different from the Wii U with a pinch of 3DS.

Now, it is also a fact that it's selling well. That is still a bit of a mistery. Who is buying it, if it's not a competent home console? I can only think it's the same people that bought a 3DS. It's a decently big enough crowd to support the system, but is that a sucess? Cause at that point we are comparing Wii U+3DS to switch. Is the switch truly a sucess when seen from that angle? Will it be able to grow that market? I have my doubts, but we'll see.

Hmm, I actually think every successful console taps into multiple markets of gamers. Switch has the potential to tap into a few. But I don't know if Nintendo will do so. Also in the public image the Switch might look outdated as soon as PS5 and Scarlett release. That might cut the lifetime of Switch short. So I'm currently quite sure Switch will go past 50M devices, but still in the unclear if it goes on to 100M. We'll see.



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