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IkePoR said:
OTBWY said:

A gen doesn't make sense when A: A new iteration has been released in the middle of the lifecycles of its competitors and B: The competition has already released more powerful hardware of the same console in the current gen. It really doesn't make sense to use it anymore when the reason to categorize is no longer relevant. The time that a company released a single console and stuck to that hardware for 5-7 years is over. That is my opinion on it anyway.

Again, the terms are under no obligation to make sense to you.  

The New 3DS exists and is still part of the 8th generation.

Power of hardware has no signifigance in the concept of the console generation.

Length of hardware lifecycle has no signifigance in the concept of the console generation.

You are entitled to your opinion on this site, however.  No matter how wrong they may be.

So you're going on the basis that a console's gen is determined by taking the company's previous console and adding a 1 to it? So by your logic Switch is 8th gen? They first released a console in gen 1 and the Switch would be their 8th console...

 

Or... do you think it makes more sense to categorise a console in the same gen as its competitors? Which is why the NES is considered 3rd gen, rather than 2nd gen which it would have been under your initial logic.



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PAOerfulone said:

7.63 million units shipped through September; More than any other Nintendo system in the last 16 years besides that Wii and Game Boy Advance.

After 3 quarters:
GBA: 9.58M
GCN: 3.38M
DS: 6.65M
Wii: 9.27M
3DS: 6.68M
WiiU: 3.61M
Switch: 7.63M

*credit to StarDoor


For a system that is supposed to be dead on arrival... Not too bad.

You can safely add NES, Gameboy & SNES to the list of consoles Switch is outpacing



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Software sales after 3 quarters: (Attach rate in parentheses)
GBA: 21.80M (2.28)
GCN: 14.37M (4.25)
DS: 15.82M (2.38)
Wii: 44.82M (4.83)
3DS: 17.56M (2.63)
WiiU: 14.44M (4.00)
Switch: 27.48M (3.60)

Switch has a higher attach rate than all of the handhelds, but a lower attach rate than all of the home consoles.

However, bundled software is counted in these numbers: Wii Sports inflates the Wii's attach rate by at least 0.8, and Nintendo Land has a similar effect on Wii U. Not to mention how GameCube, Wii, and Wii U all went through a holiday season in this period, while Switch did not.

For reference, Wii sold 15.98 million units of software in its second and third quarters (Jan-June 2007), while Switch sold 22.02 million units of software in that period (Apr-Sep 2017).

Last edited by StarDoor - on 31 October 2017

Mnementh said:

Well, you say it yourself, the generations don't line up. Therefore I see not much sense in declaring Switch in the same gen as PS4 or PS5. If we assume PS4 and Switch both follow a normal console-lifecycle, then Switch will be 2.5 years on market with PS4and 3.5 years with PS5. Declaring it to be in the same generation as either of them is illogical. As far as we know, both could deviate from the lifecylce again and making the differences even bigger.

Also Nintendo did deviate earlier, the GBA had only 3.5 years as the DS came out.

Much of this is similar to 2011 when many people had a hard time accepting that the 3DS was 8th gen. What was certain back then as it is now is that the 3DS was not part of the same generation as the DS, just like Switch is not part of the same generation as the 3DS.

Nintendo also deviated with the GB which went on for nine years before the GBC hit the scene. Still, GB + GBC ended up at twelve years, so the duration of two generations. The GBA was cut short because Sony wanted to get a headstart with the PSP over Nintendo's next handheld.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

I personally consider PS4, Xbox ONE and Wii U as 8th Gen, and PS4 Pro, Xbox ONE X and Switch as Gen 8.5

There where such interludes before. In between 4th and 5th gen with Philips CDi, 3DO, Amiga CD32, and you could also count Sega's X32 and NECs SuperGraphX to this. The Atari 5200 could be seen as Gen 2.5 considering how quickly it got replaced by the 7800, too. Upgrades within a generation are not new, just very seldom used.

That isn't any better than calling Switch 8th gen, because you categorize Switch as mid-gen upgrade when it is clearly next generation, unlike PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.

StarDoor said:

Software sales after 3 quarters: (Attach rate in parentheses)
GBA: 21.80M (2.28)
GCN: 14.37M (4.25)
DS: 15.82M (2.38)
Wii: 44.82M (4.83)
3DS: 17.56M (2.63)
WiiU: 14.44M (4.00)
Switch: 27.48M (3.60)

Switch has a higher attach rate than all of the handhelds, but a lower attach rate than all of the home consoles.

However, bundled software is counted in these numbers: Wii Sports inflates the Wii's attach rate by at least 0.8, and Nintendo Land has a similar effect on Wii U. Not to mention how GameCube, Wii, and Wii U all went through a holiday season in this period, while Switch did not.

For reference, Wii sold 15.98 million units of software in its second and third quarters (Jan-June 2007), while Switch sold 22.02 million units of software in that period (Apr-Sep 2017).

Wii's attach rate is certainly not inflated by at least 0.8 when Wii Sports was the biggest reason why people bought the system. Wii Sports wasn't a bundled game that nobody wanted.

If you want to spin this to make Switch look better, simply point out that Switch's digital business is much bigger than any of the previous consoles'. Nintendo's software figures only count digital sales for titles that are available at retail, so digital-only games are excluded from the totals.



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Green098 said:
habam said:

Sorry but a home console from 2017 with the power of the boosted ps3 that didnt even come with a decent controller for home console play while the ps4 (way stronger, better lineup) is around 250$ isnt a great home console.

It is if it has the best two rated games of this year on it.

And along with Mario kart 8 deluxe. The switch has 3 of the four highest rated games of the year on its system. The other one being persona 5 which only beats Mario kart by 1% on metacritic. 



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Some people are seriously still in denial.



ryuzaki57 said:
I think BananaKing might still be right in a way. Look, Switch is selling fast but software sales tell the same story told before with the Wii and the WiiU : first party shines but 3rd parties bite the dust. At some point Switch is bound to struggle from its weak library and the lack of 3rd party exclusives. It may end up far stronger than the WiiU, but it will have had the same trajectory.

 

Must try harder

OTBWY said:
Some people are seriously still in denial.

Feels like they're death row waiting for Pokemon to end it all.



Wyrdness said:
OTBWY said:
Some people are seriously still in denial.

Feels like they're death row waiting for Pokemon to end it all.

At this point, Pokemon wouldn't matter. Goalposts can widen to infinity.



Wyrdness said:
OTBWY said:
Some people are seriously still in denial.

Feels like they're death row waiting for Pokemon to end it all.

Pokemon: Executioner confirmed! :P

I actually am intrigued in seeing how Pokemon will fare with a mainline game heading to a home console/hybrid system with greater tech than any of the handhelds ever released. This will not only be Pokemon's only third foray into HD (Rumble U and Pokken being the first two), but the first in the mainline series' history. So you bet your ass that expectations will be huge due to the series' prestige (well-received and addictive games, though favorites may very among the fandom), consistently great sales (the recent mainline games selling ~15-18 million), potential increase in sales due to interest and demand for a home console mainline game for years, and being a constant money maker (not sure if any other franchise besides Mario, and maybe GTA and CoD, come close). Plus, the ever lasting hopes and dreams of what fans could hope for in this upcoming Switch title (MMO, open-world with over 800 Pokemon and potentially counting, etc.)