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Soundwave said:
Cubedramirez said:
SpokenTruth said:
Cubedramirez said:
I say yes. Let's see how someone who has to make their living outside of government takes a crack at running the country. Can't do any worse than the last two we've had.

Actually, he can do worse.  A lot worse.



Considering how God awful these last 8 years were which I didn't think it was possible to top the previous 8 you may have a point. However I'll take that chance because it is beyond logic to continue employeeing the same people responsible for the crap we're in thinking they'll solve the problem. Anyone honestly thinking that voting someone who has spent their entire career in Washington has the answer is lying to themselves on levels unthinkable to a normal mind. 

 

What exactly is so "godawful" about the last 8 years anyway? The economy has largely recovered from the collapse in 2008. The housing market is back. By and large there's been no major terror attack, nothing even remotely close to a 9/11. There's been at least some progress in getting health care to more people that didn't have it before.

People who think China and Russia are doing so great ... go live in China or Russia as an average middle class person and then come back to me and tell me your quality of life is better. 

The main thing I'd say that's really, really awful about American society are the mass shootings and there's no easy solution to that unfortunately, but little kids shouldn't be getting gunned down going to school, that's just not normal. That and racism is still an issue in America, but that's going to be a long, ugly tread, unfortunately. I think the best that can be done is to hope that each successive generation is less racist than their parents, and I think that is happening. 

The economy actually hasn't improved for anyone making fewer than two hundred thousand a year and even the upper tier are not spending their money; not to mention the 94 million of able body working citizens who are no longer counted in the unemployment numbers. The housing market is back to grossly inflated bubble levels where nothing has any meaningful collateral backing up the asset. We've not had a 9/11 however not since Oklahoma City has there been an attack on any similar scale. And no one in America outside of the people who could already get Medicare or Medicaid has any reason whatsoever to be happy with their health plans. I used to pay less than 150 dollars a month for what the government considers platinum coverage for a family of four which very little out of pocket. Now a similar plan cost six times as much and still lacks many of the benefits my previous one had, so like millions of people who had and enjoyed their coverage we had to change doctors, hospitals and now healthcare cost as a part of my income in higher than it's ever been.

I don't care about a Russian economy that was built on a simple (oil must remain over 90 dollars a barrel to sustain our economy) or the Chinese economy built on the same flakey economic formula which is responsible for your belief the housing market has rebounded (also don't forget in little over a decade China has amassed over 16 Trillion dollars in private debt).

Gun crime in the US has been free falling for years now and as of right now in the US gun crimes are at the lowest it's ever been all while they're more guns per person than ever before. I don't allow the media to decide my opinion on the matter. Racism in America is nothing compared to the rest of the world, it's just easier to cover because negativity sells. Having seen the instructional racism in South America (Looking at you Mexico), Europe and Eastern Africa and the Middle East first hand I can say without a doubt that as a Hispanic I thank my lucky stars I don't live in any of those hell holes. Whenever I hear anyone cry about racism in America I can't help but to laugh to myself because it highlights the ignorant thinking of people who haven't set foot in more than 2 countries.

I am a little passionate about my country. And I don't care about party lines. Fact is Obama took a awful situation left by Bush and decided to make every possible wrong move possible. Not because he was different, it's because he's the exact same as Bush and that's why this country cannot afford yet another establishment candidate who does exactly the same the previous idiot did. God, I could say here all night about how entirely repugnant reducing taxes while increasing spending was during war time, spending a trillion dollars on a health care system which had ZERO ability to grow the number of insured and in fact was nothing more than expanding current federal and state health care programs, going to war in Iraq-then up and leaving before a foundation was made...

On and on how many times do these people need to screw up before people wake up?



Cubedramirez said:
Soundwave said:
Cubedramirez said:
SpokenTruth said:
Cubedramirez said:
I say yes. Let's see how someone who has to make their living outside of government takes a crack at running the country. Can't do any worse than the last two we've had.

Actually, he can do worse.  A lot worse.



Considering how God awful these last 8 years were which I didn't think it was possible to top the previous 8 you may have a point. However I'll take that chance because it is beyond logic to continue employeeing the same people responsible for the crap we're in thinking they'll solve the problem. Anyone honestly thinking that voting someone who has spent their entire career in Washington has the answer is lying to themselves on levels unthinkable to a normal mind. 

 

What exactly is so "godawful" about the last 8 years anyway? The economy has largely recovered from the collapse in 2008. The housing market is back. By and large there's been no major terror attack, nothing even remotely close to a 9/11. There's been at least some progress in getting health care to more people that didn't have it before.

People who think China and Russia are doing so great ... go live in China or Russia as an average middle class person and then come back to me and tell me your quality of life is better. 

The main thing I'd say that's really, really awful about American society are the mass shootings and there's no easy solution to that unfortunately, but little kids shouldn't be getting gunned down going to school, that's just not normal. That and racism is still an issue in America, but that's going to be a long, ugly tread, unfortunately. I think the best that can be done is to hope that each successive generation is less racist than their parents, and I think that is happening. 

The economy actually hasn't improved for anyone making fewer than two hundred thousand a year and even the upper tier are not spending their money; not to mention the 94 million of able body working citizens who are no longer counted in the unemployment numbers. The housing market is back to grossly inflated bubble levels where nothing has any meaningful collateral backing up the asset. We've not had a 9/11 however not since Oklahoma City has there been an attack on any similar scale. And no one in America outside of the people who could already get Medicare or Medicaid has any reason whatsoever to be happy with their health plans. I used to pay less than 150 dollars a month for what the government considers platinum coverage for a family of four which very little out of pocket. Now a similar plan cost six times as much and still lacks many of the benefits my previous one had, so like millions of people who had and enjoyed their coverage we had to change doctors, hospitals and now healthcare cost as a part of my income in higher than it's ever been.

I don't care about a Russian economy that was built on a simple (oil must remain over 90 dollars a barrel to sustain our economy) or the Chinese economy built on the same flakey economic formula which is responsible for your belief the housing market has rebounded (also don't forget in little over a decade China has amassed over 16 Trillion dollars in private debt).

Gun crime in the US has been free falling for years now and as of right now in the US gun crimes are at the lowest it's ever been all while they're more guns per person than ever before. I don't allow the media to decide my opinion on the matter. Racism in America is nothing compared to the rest of the world, it's just easier to cover because negativity sells. Having seen the instructional racism in South America (Looking at you Mexico), Europe and Eastern Africa and the Middle East first hand I can say without a doubt that as a Hispanic I thank my lucky stars I don't live in any of those hell holes. Whenever I hear anyone cry about racism in America I can't help but to laugh to myself because it highlights the ignorant thinking of people who haven't set foot in more than 2 countries.

I am a little passionate about my country. And I don't care about party lines. Fact is Obama took a awful situation left by Bush and decided to make every possible wrong move possible. Not because he was different, it's because he's the exact same as Bush and that's why this country cannot afford yet another establishment candidate who does exactly the same the previous idiot did. God, I could say here all night about how entirely repugnant reducing taxes while increasing spending was during war time, spending a trillion dollars on a health care system which had ZERO ability to grow the number of insured and in fact was nothing more than expanding current federal and state health care programs, going to war in Iraq-then up and leaving before a foundation was made...

On and on how many times do these people need to screw up before people wake up?

The problem is with Congress more than any particular president. Passing meaningful healthcare reform for example is virtually impossible because Republicans will block it. 

There is no apetite from the US public to stay in Iraq forever, and that's probably literally what it would take. People always bring up Japan post WW2, but Japan is very, very different society, in fact there's no society in the world like Japan, civil obiedience and sacrifice for the nation state is paramount, therefor once the war was over it was easy to turn that into a Westernized manufacturing powerhouse. The Middle East is not like that at all. 

I mean they're been bombing in Afghanistan for almost 16 years now ... and there's still Taliban there. You can't bomb an ideology. 

Gun violence is down but honestly I don't want to have kids in the US because I worry that if I send them to school, one day some nut kid will show up with a gun and kill them. It's not even one of those wacky "it could never happen" ... it seems to happen every 3-4 months without fail these days. 



Soundwave said:
Cubedramirez said:

The economy actually hasn't improved for anyone making fewer than two hundred thousand a year and even the upper tier are not spending their money; not to mention the 94 million of able body working citizens who are no longer counted in the unemployment numbers. The housing market is back to grossly inflated bubble levels where nothing has any meaningful collateral backing up the asset. We've not had a 9/11 however not since Oklahoma City has there been an attack on any similar scale. And no one in America outside of the people who could already get Medicare or Medicaid has any reason whatsoever to be happy with their health plans. I used to pay less than 150 dollars a month for what the government considers platinum coverage for a family of four which very little out of pocket. Now a similar plan cost six times as much and still lacks many of the benefits my previous one had, so like millions of people who had and enjoyed their coverage we had to change doctors, hospitals and now healthcare cost as a part of my income in higher than it's ever been.

I don't care about a Russian economy that was built on a simple (oil must remain over 90 dollars a barrel to sustain our economy) or the Chinese economy built on the same flakey economic formula which is responsible for your belief the housing market has rebounded (also don't forget in little over a decade China has amassed over 16 Trillion dollars in private debt).

Gun crime in the US has been free falling for years now and as of right now in the US gun crimes are at the lowest it's ever been all while they're more guns per person than ever before. I don't allow the media to decide my opinion on the matter. Racism in America is nothing compared to the rest of the world, it's just easier to cover because negativity sells. Having seen the instructional racism in South America (Looking at you Mexico), Europe and Eastern Africa and the Middle East first hand I can say without a doubt that as a Hispanic I thank my lucky stars I don't live in any of those hell holes. Whenever I hear anyone cry about racism in America I can't help but to laugh to myself because it highlights the ignorant thinking of people who haven't set foot in more than 2 countries.

I am a little passionate about my country. And I don't care about party lines. Fact is Obama took a awful situation left by Bush and decided to make every possible wrong move possible. Not because he was different, it's because he's the exact same as Bush and that's why this country cannot afford yet another establishment candidate who does exactly the same the previous idiot did. God, I could say here all night about how entirely repugnant reducing taxes while increasing spending was during war time, spending a trillion dollars on a health care system which had ZERO ability to grow the number of insured and in fact was nothing more than expanding current federal and state health care programs, going to war in Iraq-then up and leaving before a foundation was made...

On and on how many times do these people need to screw up before people wake up?

The problem is with Congress more than any particular president. Passing meaningful healthcare reform for example is virtually impossible because Republicans will block it. 

There is no apetite from the US public to stay in Iraq forever, and that's probably literally what it would take. People always bring up Japan post WW2, but Japan is very, very different society, in fact there's no society in the world like Japan, civil obiedience and sacrifice for the nation state is paramount, therefor once the war was over it was easy to turn that into a Westernized manufacturing powerhouse. The Middle East is not like that at all. 

I mean they're been bombing in Afghanistan for almost 16 years now ... and there's still Taliban there. You can't bomb an ideology. 

Gun violence is down but honestly I don't want to have kids in the US because I worry that if I send them to school, one day some nut kid will show up with a gun and kill them. It's not even one of those wacky "it could never happen" ... it seems to happen every 3-4 months without fail these days. 

You blame Republicans for stopping further healthcare reform yet dismiss the fact the ACA was supposed to end all need for further reform. It was supposed to expand coverage to everyone, lower cost for everyone, stop insurance companies from declining people and ensure a efficient system that would overall reduce the impact on our economy from healthcare cost. The ACA passed with a Super Majority in Congress and as we speak every single aspect of the law and exchange has failed. Now I could go spew Republican talking points about grossly incorrect notion the Republicans could stop anything prior to 2010, which actually is legitimate, however the facts are that with a super majority the Congress and President passed the ACA which was designed to end all of chaos and ills. Now in 2016 after the ACA was passed we are hearing the same song and dance about further health care reform because the trillion spent on the initial ACA wasn't enough.

So we have a classic example of people in government who have no clue on how to do what they claim they're going to do EVEN while they've been given a completely blank check to do it. Heck, they spent 834 million dollars paying entities to the building and maintaining the federal exchange website and those companies happen to donate right back to the people who gifted them these insane contracts.  If you don't have the same disgust as I have after writing that there is no point to continue. 

Further ignorance is displayed in terms of propping up a Middle East state. Now the easy answer to the question was, don't invade. However after the fact the absolute worst thing to do was to leave. Iraq much like Syria, Turkey, EAU, etc are very westernized and unlike your Afghanistan reference. The reason for staying was because we had to provide security and logistical training and support while guiding their government away from one which they ended up making that only benefited the Shia community while alienating the Sunni community which DIRECTLY led to the creation of ISIS. Again, it doesn't matter what side the empty suits come from they don't know how to manage anything outside of convincing people to vote for them in spite of all empirical evidence. 

I have a family of four and feel completely safe with my children going to school or to play. I thank my lucky stars my parents taught me that negativity sells and the media will also focus on anything that causes concern and distress and that I should never put much attention to such nonsense because 10 out of 10 times what they've reported is nothing more than half-truths and shallowness. My children are safe, my wife is safe and my home is safe because the reality is that statistically speaking it's extremely unlikely to ever be put into such situation where a gun is drawn or threatened again me or my family. In the media focuses on the worst of the worst in a effort to convince people they must constantly tune in to be informed on how to stay alive in this crazy dangerous world. Frankly speaking I'd rather be in the ghetto in an American city rather than anywhere in Germany or Europe during their government sanctioned invasion of a culture and people who find the very existence of a secular society to be repugnant. 

I get it. People want to believe that everything is simple to solve and if they elect the right career bureaucrat it will finally be fixed for the first time since Ike Eisenhower. The fact is that they got into politics because they couldn’t make it in the private sector. They cannot exist in an entity that demands results and holds them accountable for failures. So vote for Clinton or Sanders or Rubio or Cruz it doesn’t matter. What the country needs is a business minded person who understands how to run something that requires outside funding and energy to keep it afloat. The country needs someone who can play the game and rub elbows to make deals. The country needs a pragmatic person and something that the Democrats and Republicans are not telling anyone is that while the country agrees with their positions roughly 60% of the time when it comes to policy people agree with Trump maybe around 90% of the time. He’s not a evil liberal trying to win it for Hillary, he’s not a right wing nut job who wants to create the United States of Amerikkka. His positions are like the rest of us that final legitimate policy successes in both parties but don’t want the “my team vs your team” anymore. The Media and parties know this that’s why they’ve united against him because he threatens their hold more than anyone else. So until the election they’ll continue assuming meaning behind his words, outright lying about what he says and do everything they can to scare people into not taking the time to look at him. Which that doesn’t bug me because I’ve met and spoken to enough republicans and democrats who finally get it and are supporting him because they see the exact same thing I’ve written here.



Jimbo1337 said:
Scoobes said:
Jimbo1337 said:
Scoobes said:

Got the message across didn't it? Not like the British can directly influence the vote.

Yeah it really did send a message.  The message that three hours of parliamentary time had to be wasted on what I and many others would consider the most asinine debate in modern politcal history.

It sends a message to UK politicians that their constituents don't like Trump and that UK politicians better grow a spine in their dealings with Trump should he ever become US preseident.

It also sends a message to your politicians and people that your closest ally in the West thinks one of your presidential candidates is stupid. Even our right-wing politicians are publicly calling him such now.

Might have taken 3 hours but all politicians have wasted time (and money) on other pointless ventures.

I believe you said it best:
"Not like the British can directly influence the vote".  

Which is exactly my point.  I am glad you agree with me.



Lol, sure. Just a bit of indirect cajoling from your friends across the pond.



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Cubedramirez said:
Soundwave said:

The problem is with Congress more than any particular president. Passing meaningful healthcare reform for example is virtually impossible because Republicans will block it. 

There is no apetite from the US public to stay in Iraq forever, and that's probably literally what it would take. People always bring up Japan post WW2, but Japan is very, very different society, in fact there's no society in the world like Japan, civil obiedience and sacrifice for the nation state is paramount, therefor once the war was over it was easy to turn that into a Westernized manufacturing powerhouse. The Middle East is not like that at all. 

I mean they're been bombing in Afghanistan for almost 16 years now ... and there's still Taliban there. You can't bomb an ideology. 

Gun violence is down but honestly I don't want to have kids in the US because I worry that if I send them to school, one day some nut kid will show up with a gun and kill them. It's not even one of those wacky "it could never happen" ... it seems to happen every 3-4 months without fail these days. 

You blame Republicans for stopping further healthcare reform yet dismiss the fact the ACA was supposed to end all need for further reform. It was supposed to expand coverage to everyone, lower cost for everyone, stop insurance companies from declining people and ensure a efficient system that would overall reduce the impact on our economy from healthcare cost. The ACA passed with a Super Majority in Congress and as we speak every single aspect of the law and exchange has failed. Now I could go spew Republican talking points about grossly incorrect notion the Republicans could stop anything prior to 2010, which actually is legitimate, however the facts are that with a super majority the Congress and President passed the ACA which was designed to end all of chaos and ills. Now in 2016 after the ACA was passed we are hearing the same song and dance about further health care reform because the trillion spent on the initial ACA wasn't enough.

So we have a classic example of people in government who have no clue on how to do what they claim they're going to do EVEN while they've been given a completely blank check to do it. Heck, they spent 834 million dollars paying entities to the building and maintaining the federal exchange website and those companies happen to donate right back to the people who gifted them these insane contracts.  If you don't have the same disgust as I have after writing that there is no point to continue. 

Further ignorance is displayed in terms of propping up a Middle East state. Now the easy answer to the question was, don't invade. However after the fact the absolute worst thing to do was to leave. Iraq much like Syria, Turkey, EAU, etc are very westernized and unlike your Afghanistan reference. The reason for staying was because we had to provide security and logistical training and support while guiding their government away from one which they ended up making that only benefited the Shia community while alienating the Sunni community which DIRECTLY led to the creation of ISIS. Again, it doesn't matter what side the empty suits come from they don't know how to manage anything outside of convincing people to vote for them in spite of all empirical evidence. 

I have a family of four and feel completely safe with my children going to school or to play. I thank my lucky stars my parents taught me that negativity sells and the media will also focus on anything that causes concern and distress and that I should never put much attention to such nonsense because 10 out of 10 times what they've reported is nothing more than half-truths and shallowness. My children are safe, my wife is safe and my home is safe because the reality is that statistically speaking it's extremely unlikely to ever be put into such situation where a gun is drawn or threatened again me or my family. In the media focuses on the worst of the worst in a effort to convince people they must constantly tune in to be informed on how to stay alive in this crazy dangerous world. Frankly speaking I'd rather be in the ghetto in an American city rather than anywhere in Germany or Europe during their government sanctioned invasion of a culture and people who find the very existence of a secular society to be repugnant. 

I get it. People want to believe that everything is simple to solve and if they elect the right career bureaucrat it will finally be fixed for the first time since Ike Eisenhower. The fact is that they got into politics because they couldn’t make it in the private sector. They cannot exist in an entity that demands results and holds them accountable for failures. So vote for Clinton or Sanders or Rubio or Cruz it doesn’t matter. What the country needs is a business minded person who understands how to run something that requires outside funding and energy to keep it afloat. The country needs someone who can play the game and rub elbows to make deals. The country needs a pragmatic person and something that the Democrats and Republicans are not telling anyone is that while the country agrees with their positions roughly 60% of the time when it comes to policy people agree with Trump maybe around 90% of the time. He’s not a evil liberal trying to win it for Hillary, he’s not a right wing nut job who wants to create the United States of Amerikkka. His positions are like the rest of us that final legitimate policy successes in both parties but don’t want the “my team vs your team” anymore. The Media and parties know this that’s why they’ve united against him because he threatens their hold more than anyone else. So until the election they’ll continue assuming meaning behind his words, outright lying about what he says and do everything they can to scare people into not taking the time to look at him. Which that doesn’t bug me because I’ve met and spoken to enough republicans and democrats who finally get it and are supporting him because they see the exact same thing I’ve written here.

Running country isn't like running a private business. The Bush family are incredibly successful in the private sector too. To be honest I don't think Trump's even some super genius businessman as has been mentioned before he inherited a lot of his wealth and would actually have more money today if he just invested that inherited fortune into a standard mutual fund rather than letting himself handle the business stuff. 

It's not like he went from nothing to this huge billionaire. 

Arnold Schwarzenneger as much flak as he gets is true rags to riches story, some people don't know this but aside from all his other exploits he became a millionaire just on real estate investements before becoming a movie star. But he really wasn't able to get much done in the world of politics. 

Politics is just it's own world fraught with compromise (hence the word politic). 

The other issue I have with Trump is I don't think he actually really has any core principals. He comes from the show biz philosophy of "the audience is always right", so you know what ever the audience wants he gives. But I don't think you can really be a successful president if you don't have any core principals other than showman principals. This isn't a Miss Universe contest or a casino. 

Beyond that though I don't think Trump is going to make it, he made a big fuss about always being a winner, always delivering, so this Iowa loss is going to sting him badly, don't talk the talk if you can't deliver the results (I'm going to win, going to win in Iowa easily ... he almost fell to third place). 



Soundwave said:
Cubedramirez said:

You blame Republicans for stopping further healthcare reform yet dismiss the fact the ACA was supposed to end all need for further reform. It was supposed to expand coverage to everyone, lower cost for everyone, stop insurance companies from declining people and ensure a efficient system that would overall reduce the impact on our economy from healthcare cost. The ACA passed with a Super Majority in Congress and as we speak every single aspect of the law and exchange has failed. Now I could go spew Republican talking points about grossly incorrect notion the Republicans could stop anything prior to 2010, which actually is legitimate, however the facts are that with a super majority the Congress and President passed the ACA which was designed to end all of chaos and ills. Now in 2016 after the ACA was passed we are hearing the same song and dance about further health care reform because the trillion spent on the initial ACA wasn't enough.

So we have a classic example of people in government who have no clue on how to do what they claim they're going to do EVEN while they've been given a completely blank check to do it. Heck, they spent 834 million dollars paying entities to the building and maintaining the federal exchange website and those companies happen to donate right back to the people who gifted them these insane contracts.  If you don't have the same disgust as I have after writing that there is no point to continue. 

Further ignorance is displayed in terms of propping up a Middle East state. Now the easy answer to the question was, don't invade. However after the fact the absolute worst thing to do was to leave. Iraq much like Syria, Turkey, EAU, etc are very westernized and unlike your Afghanistan reference. The reason for staying was because we had to provide security and logistical training and support while guiding their government away from one which they ended up making that only benefited the Shia community while alienating the Sunni community which DIRECTLY led to the creation of ISIS. Again, it doesn't matter what side the empty suits come from they don't know how to manage anything outside of convincing people to vote for them in spite of all empirical evidence. 

I have a family of four and feel completely safe with my children going to school or to play. I thank my lucky stars my parents taught me that negativity sells and the media will also focus on anything that causes concern and distress and that I should never put much attention to such nonsense because 10 out of 10 times what they've reported is nothing more than half-truths and shallowness. My children are safe, my wife is safe and my home is safe because the reality is that statistically speaking it's extremely unlikely to ever be put into such situation where a gun is drawn or threatened again me or my family. In the media focuses on the worst of the worst in a effort to convince people they must constantly tune in to be informed on how to stay alive in this crazy dangerous world. Frankly speaking I'd rather be in the ghetto in an American city rather than anywhere in Germany or Europe during their government sanctioned invasion of a culture and people who find the very existence of a secular society to be repugnant. 

I get it. People want to believe that everything is simple to solve and if they elect the right career bureaucrat it will finally be fixed for the first time since Ike Eisenhower. The fact is that they got into politics because they couldn’t make it in the private sector. They cannot exist in an entity that demands results and holds them accountable for failures. So vote for Clinton or Sanders or Rubio or Cruz it doesn’t matter. What the country needs is a business minded person who understands how to run something that requires outside funding and energy to keep it afloat. The country needs someone who can play the game and rub elbows to make deals. The country needs a pragmatic person and something that the Democrats and Republicans are not telling anyone is that while the country agrees with their positions roughly 60% of the time when it comes to policy people agree with Trump maybe around 90% of the time. He’s not a evil liberal trying to win it for Hillary, he’s not a right wing nut job who wants to create the United States of Amerikkka. His positions are like the rest of us that final legitimate policy successes in both parties but don’t want the “my team vs your team” anymore. The Media and parties know this that’s why they’ve united against him because he threatens their hold more than anyone else. So until the election they’ll continue assuming meaning behind his words, outright lying about what he says and do everything they can to scare people into not taking the time to look at him. Which that doesn’t bug me because I’ve met and spoken to enough republicans and democrats who finally get it and are supporting him because they see the exact same thing I’ve written here.

Running country isn't like running a private business. The Bush family are incredibly successful in the private sector too. To be honest I don't think Trump's even some super genius businessman as has been mentioned before he inherited a lot of his wealth and would actually have more money today if he just invested that inherited fortune into a standard mutual fund rather than letting himself handle the business stuff. 

It's not like he went from nothing to this huge billionaire. 

Arnold Schwarzenneger as much flak as he gets is true rags to riches story, some people don't know this but aside from all his other exploits he became a millionaire just on real estate investements before becoming a movie star. But he really wasn't able to get much done in the world of politics. 

Politics is just it's own world fraught with compromise (hence the word politic). 

The other issue I have with Trump is I don't think he actually really has any core principals. He comes from the show biz philosophy of "the audience is always right", so you know what ever the audience wants he gives. But I don't think you can really be a successful president if you don't have any core principals other than showman principals. This isn't a Miss Universe contest or a casino. 

Beyond that though I don't think Trump is going to make it, he made a big fuss about always being a winner, always delivering, so this Iowa loss is going to sting him badly, don't talk the talk if you can't deliver the results (I'm going to win, going to win in Iowa easily ... he almost fell to third place). 

He lost to a guy who had the best ground game that anyone has ever seen in the state of Iowa.  Ted Cruz was deceitful by telling voters right before the caucus that Ben Carson has suspended his campaign and that they should now vote for Ted Cruz.  I would also like to point out that Ben Carson supporters would pick Ted Cruz as their second choice.

Meanwhile, Trump had no ground game in Iowa.  Rubio, who came in third place, also had no real intentions of taking first place in Iowa.  They both noticed that Ted Cruz was putting all of his eggs in one basket, which made all of the other candidates focus on the other states.  Prior to the caucus, everyone expected Ted Cruz and Trump to take either first or second place with Rubio in a distant third.  The first two predictions came true while Rubio taking a close third was a surprise.   But now you and the media want to spin that somehow Trump getting second is a bad thing?  Didn't he live up to expectations?

@Cubedramirez  Nice post.  Couldn't have said it better myself.



I'd vote for A pile of shit 1st.



Soundwave said:
Cubedramirez said:

You blame Republicans for stopping further healthcare reform yet dismiss the fact the ACA was supposed to end all need for further reform. It was supposed to expand coverage to everyone, lower cost for everyone, stop insurance companies from declining people and ensure a efficient system that would overall reduce the impact on our economy from healthcare cost. The ACA passed with a Super Majority in Congress and as we speak every single aspect of the law and exchange has failed. Now I could go spew Republican talking points about grossly incorrect notion the Republicans could stop anything prior to 2010, which actually is legitimate, however the facts are that with a super majority the Congress and President passed the ACA which was designed to end all of chaos and ills. Now in 2016 after the ACA was passed we are hearing the same song and dance about further health care reform because the trillion spent on the initial ACA wasn't enough.

So we have a classic example of people in government who have no clue on how to do what they claim they're going to do EVEN while they've been given a completely blank check to do it. Heck, they spent 834 million dollars paying entities to the building and maintaining the federal exchange website and those companies happen to donate right back to the people who gifted them these insane contracts.  If you don't have the same disgust as I have after writing that there is no point to continue. 

Further ignorance is displayed in terms of propping up a Middle East state. Now the easy answer to the question was, don't invade. However after the fact the absolute worst thing to do was to leave. Iraq much like Syria, Turkey, EAU, etc are very westernized and unlike your Afghanistan reference. The reason for staying was because we had to provide security and logistical training and support while guiding their government away from one which they ended up making that only benefited the Shia community while alienating the Sunni community which DIRECTLY led to the creation of ISIS. Again, it doesn't matter what side the empty suits come from they don't know how to manage anything outside of convincing people to vote for them in spite of all empirical evidence. 

I have a family of four and feel completely safe with my children going to school or to play. I thank my lucky stars my parents taught me that negativity sells and the media will also focus on anything that causes concern and distress and that I should never put much attention to such nonsense because 10 out of 10 times what they've reported is nothing more than half-truths and shallowness. My children are safe, my wife is safe and my home is safe because the reality is that statistically speaking it's extremely unlikely to ever be put into such situation where a gun is drawn or threatened again me or my family. In the media focuses on the worst of the worst in a effort to convince people they must constantly tune in to be informed on how to stay alive in this crazy dangerous world. Frankly speaking I'd rather be in the ghetto in an American city rather than anywhere in Germany or Europe during their government sanctioned invasion of a culture and people who find the very existence of a secular society to be repugnant. 

I get it. People want to believe that everything is simple to solve and if they elect the right career bureaucrat it will finally be fixed for the first time since Ike Eisenhower. The fact is that they got into politics because they couldn’t make it in the private sector. They cannot exist in an entity that demands results and holds them accountable for failures. So vote for Clinton or Sanders or Rubio or Cruz it doesn’t matter. What the country needs is a business minded person who understands how to run something that requires outside funding and energy to keep it afloat. The country needs someone who can play the game and rub elbows to make deals. The country needs a pragmatic person and something that the Democrats and Republicans are not telling anyone is that while the country agrees with their positions roughly 60% of the time when it comes to policy people agree with Trump maybe around 90% of the time. He’s not a evil liberal trying to win it for Hillary, he’s not a right wing nut job who wants to create the United States of Amerikkka. His positions are like the rest of us that final legitimate policy successes in both parties but don’t want the “my team vs your team” anymore. The Media and parties know this that’s why they’ve united against him because he threatens their hold more than anyone else. So until the election they’ll continue assuming meaning behind his words, outright lying about what he says and do everything they can to scare people into not taking the time to look at him. Which that doesn’t bug me because I’ve met and spoken to enough republicans and democrats who finally get it and are supporting him because they see the exact same thing I’ve written here.

Running country isn't like running a private business. The Bush family are incredibly successful in the private sector too. To be honest I don't think Trump's even some super genius businessman as has been mentioned before he inherited a lot of his wealth and would actually have more money today if he just invested that inherited fortune into a standard mutual fund rather than letting himself handle the business stuff. 

It's not like he went from nothing to this huge billionaire. 

Arnold Schwarzenneger as much flak as he gets is true rags to riches story, some people don't know this but aside from all his other exploits he became a millionaire just on real estate investements before becoming a movie star. But he really wasn't able to get much done in the world of politics. 

Politics is just it's own world fraught with compromise (hence the word politic). 

The other issue I have with Trump is I don't think he actually really has any core principals. He comes from the show biz philosophy of "the audience is always right", so you know what ever the audience wants he gives. But I don't think you can really be a successful president if you don't have any core principals other than showman principals. This isn't a Miss Universe contest or a casino. 

Beyond that though I don't think Trump is going to make it, he made a big fuss about always being a winner, always delivering, so this Iowa loss is going to sting him badly, don't talk the talk if you can't deliver the results (I'm going to win, going to win in Iowa easily ... he almost fell to third place). 

I'll go backwards in responses. 

Trump did not put all his eggs in a basket named Iowa when Iowa has historically been at best lukewarm when being won by a actual nominee. The next two contests have him both with double digit leads and in NH it's been since October. He'll win handedly however the other story is that in the next two contests the follow candidates for 2nd and 3rd are not consistent, only consistent in this race is Trump. 

There is not a single human being on this planet who would match your core principles requirement. It's a fairy tale that the Sanders folks are pushing because when you've existed 25 years in government and have not a single bill to show for it and have always been considered nothing more than a fly on the wall it's very easy to hold on to "principles". However if Sanders was a legitimate figure in Washington this principle issue would not even be a factor because human nature trumps (no pun intended) ideology when there's skin in the game. 

Politics is compromise that’s clear. There is no to be found of legitimate meaning in Washington because children with no negotiation skills are elected to office. 

Running a government is exactly like running a business. There is a clear misunderstanding for the role of government and its role and responsibilities in society. You have shareholders who are impacted by your choices (employees and citizens), you have investor interest to maintain (the G8), you have b2b relationships with require constant attention (trade and foreign affairs), you have product and service lines which must maintain a high standard (government programs and responsibilities), etc. 

I came to read about the Nintendo NX. Let the country elect who they want, this nation gets exactly what it deserves and I am proud to be able to have the means to move and continue my work if it ever got insanely out of control. This is no longer the shining city on the hill. It's a welfare office with a bread line next to it. 

@Jimbo1337 much love good Sir.



It would be interesting to see what he could do for America for four years. However, my answer is no. I do not see him and foreign policy going out so well.



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