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Note: I do not condone of the senseless violence and barbarism of IS.

I am an educated man in his upper twenties who is born Christian and I identify with Christianity culturally. I believe in family values, compassion, and monogamy. I was born in EU and lived in the US for quite a long time. I've recently moved back to EU and I just don't identify with the progressive liberal values inherent in society here. Everyone is a feminist and a Marxist. I felt like there were strong Christian values in the US but with Obama, I felt like the US is becoming more and more atheistic and leftist. 

Now on to my tirade. I feel as though Christianity has fallen in the West. The last bastions of Christianity are slowly but surely being usurped by progressive liberals. These so called "democratic" countries are rife with decadence and deviance as evidenced in the outgrowth of gay rights and other movements espoused by the left. Hitler warned that these so called democratic states were in a state of moral decadence and would fall to the disciplined hordes of Asia. I feel as though the weakening of Europe is a result of Hitler losing the war. In post war EU there was an insurgence of radical leftist groups such as the Rotte Armee Fraktion which left an indelible impression on EU society. 

Now the more I think about Islam, the more I feel drawn to its values (because it's oriented towards the right).  I have some questions though.

1. What are the most prevalent family values of Islam? More specifically, is polygamy and polyamory proscribed? I believe in the insitution of one man and one woman: monogamy.

2. Why do some muslims refuse to shake hands? I like this practice, I think our tradition of shaking hands is not hygenic. 

 

 

 

 

 



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Full Disclosure I am an Atheist,

But I do have to ask are there any actual philosophical reasons why you wish to abandon Christianity for Islam? Attitudes of members doesn't decide what’s correct. If everyone on this earth who believed the earth was round was an ignorant douche-bag it wouldn't mean they were wrong about their belief, it would just mean you separate yourself from that mindset.



There's only 2 races: White and 'Political Agenda'
2 Genders: Male and 'Political Agenda'
2 Hairstyles for female characters: Long and 'Political Agenda'
2 Sexualities: Straight and 'Political Agenda'

Westerners converting to Islam is going to be a common feature of the next century, I think.



I actually agree with what you're saying, can't answer your questions though sadly.



You sir, completely disgust me. As Islam is trying to modernize, your views will not be upheld by any major religion.



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Your post is filled with many questions. Whatever faith you choose is your own but the reasons you give are broken. You don't like the values of general populace of those living in the EU, yet generalise calling everyone a feminist? Good, I hope we all are. Equal values for men and women should be everyone's goal. Marxist? No, you don't seem to know what Marxism is/was. For one, Marxism is open to interpretation, what I wonder is what parts of this socalled Marxist society we in the EU live in that so offends you to change your faith.

Changing your faith because of the political methods of governments and thinking of other people? It is not a faith that can fix your problems, I'm afraid.



Hmm, pie.

reggin_bolas said:

 Hitler warned that these so called democratic states were in a state of moral decadence and would fall to the disciplined hordes of Asia. I feel as though the weakening of Europe is a result of Hitler losing the war. 

You sound disappointed that Hitler lost. 



ArchangelMadzz said:
Full Disclosure I am an Atheist,

But I do have to ask are there any actual philosophical reasons why you wish to abandon Christianity for Islam? Attitudes of members doesn't decide what’s correct. If everyone on this earth who believed the earth was round was an ignorant douche-bag it wouldn't mean they were wrong about their belief, it would just mean you separate yourself from that mindset.

No, but I abhor feminism and communism. I see those ideologies as an enemy. I identify more with the right. I'm not a big fan of homosexuality either. I don't want them persecuted or harmed but I don't want their "pride" in my face either.

I have very strong normative family values. I can't stand polyamory. Dislike the abuse of divorce too. 

 

 

 

 



badgenome said:
Westerners converting to Islam is going to be a common feature of the next century, I think.


That would be very sad. Why do you say that?

 

OT: 1- Men can marry up to 4 wives.

2- Muslims do shake hands, I don't know what you're talking about. Men don't shake womens hands though maybe that's what you mean.



curl-6 said:
reggin_bolas said:

 Hitler warned that these so called democratic states were in a state of moral decadence and would fall to the disciplined hordes of Asia. I feel as though the weakening of Europe is a result of Hitler losing the war. 

You sound disappointed that Hitler lost.


Hitler wasn't that bad of a guy. Things just spiralled out of control towards the end when the persecution of the Jews intensified. That's inexcusable. He pulled off the most stunning economic recovery in all of history. Eliminated crime more or less and created a wellfare state which is still being studied in social schools in EU. 

Most people don't know this but many muslims joined his SS. They were allowed to pray and keep their religious institutions. People in the Ukraine were also allowed to pray and enter churches again after many years of Soviet abuse. 

There's a video on youtube about the 10 worst human beings in history. Guess what? Hitler wasn't featured in it. Whoever wins a war writes its history. That's the one thing the social constructivists and the relativists got right. Whoever has power dictates truth.