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Wright on 09 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
Somini said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Japan is only importantly if you wanna sell JRPGs and borderline pedophile shit.

Nintendo, Sony, and MS yearn for a bigger western market.


Biggot and discriminating to the max. Get this kind of talk out of this thread please.

Yeah, yeah... lets ignore what does pretty well in Japan.

 

By the way, found this on Wikipedia out of curiosity. "The national age of consent in Japan is 13 as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177.[36][dead link] However, prefectures can have ordinances that prohibit sexual activities with any minor under 18.[37]"

So yeah, I'm not completely out of line. Their culture seems to be okay with what western cultures consider pedophilia.

Which is why their games sometimes do things you wouldn't see in a western games. Like seeing a young girl's panties or maybe having Big Boss sleeping with an underage girl.


So much hate ¬¬ you're discriminating a culture you don't understand, nor want to comprehend.

There have been far more horrible things in western games through the years than in eastern games, I'm afraid.



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aikohualda on 09 May 2013
Lostplanet22 said:
aikohualda said:
Lostplanet22 said:
aikohualda said:
DirtyP2002 said:
Galaki said:
So... Japan is irrelevant now?


well yeah, pretty much. It is still a big market on its own, but when you consider that their gaming taste is totally different than in the rest of the world, Japan becomes a niche.

japan is still the second largest market in the world (per country) in terms of video games...... yeah if you put japan against the rest of the worl it becomes a niche..

Third in HW sales, UK took second place.    Japan is not irrevalent no country really is but in the next ten years I don't see the market growing in Japan I see it rather go down.  While the most markets will be still growing.

VIDEO GAMES..... not just HW sales.... heck japanese market is almost as big as europe market as a whole.... lol to the japan is not relevant...
look at the current top 5 games of 2013...

Luigi mansion as one.. more than 1/3rd of those sales came from japan....

4 and 5..... DW and Animal crossing is japan numbers only..... and still made it to top 5...

and japanese market is not relevant????????????? damn.... i wanna smoke whatever you are smoking

Where do I say it is not relevant?  HW wise Japan has become the third market and in the future it looks like the market will shrink while the most other markets will grow so yes the Japanese market will be less important in the future.

oh sorry i though you were the guy i first quoted...

but anyways... so far japanese is still number 2 in the 2013 race....

2013 Japanese HW: 2,841,222

2013 Europe HW: 3,156,073

that is the whole europe

I know it will change drastically when ps4 and next box comes out... but this raw number just makes japanese numbers relevant....





 

Kazus on 09 May 2013

Let's be honest, there's not many things worse than Microsoft's relations with Japan other than famine, war, and muder. It would take quite a bit for Nintendo to catch up to that.



Torillian on 09 May 2013
Kazus said:

Let's be honest, there's not many things worse than Microsoft's relations with Japan other than famine, war, and muder. It would take quite a bit for Nintendo to catch up to that.


Even if that is true though, the 360 still gets every major 3rd party Japanese game that I can think of so it certainly doesn't have the same effect as Nintendo's issues with Western developers.  

Out of curiosity can anyone think of the last major Japanese 3rd party title that the 360 seemed to miss out on due to MS's poor relations with the Japanese?



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Chris Hu on 09 May 2013
BaldrSkies said:
The sad part is Microsoft still has more third party support.


The original X-Box also had more third party support then the Gamecube especially by Western developers so nothing changed.  The situation has been pretty much the same since the launch of the X-Box brand.  Also the 720 or whatever MS next console will be called will get much better third party support then the Wii U so nothing is going to change in the near future.



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Zod95 on 09 May 2013

aikohualda, you don't need to smoke anything. Just look at the numbers and do some calcs:
- Sum up all the SW sales in Japan for PS3, X360 and Wii. Do the same for the Western markets. Compare both numbers (the ratio should be 13-16 to 1).
- Pick up a sample of 10 or 15 of the Western best sellers (videogames produced by Western companies that sold well in the world). Sum up the sales from Japan. Do the same for the Western markets. Compare both numbers (the ratio should be 25-30 to 1).

This means Japan is not a significant market for Western products like X360. Sure it is a great market...for Wii, for PS3, not for X360 (or any other Western console that wants to try its luck on Japan).



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Kazus on 09 May 2013

Torillian said:

Even if that is true though, the 360 still gets every major 3rd party Japanese game that I can think of so it certainly doesn't have the same effect as Nintendo's issues with Western developers.  

Out of curiosity can anyone think of the last major Japanese 3rd party title that the 360 seemed to miss out on due to MS's poor relations with the Japanese?

True, but that doesn't warrant people to go on and on about Nintendo being a complete flop in the West (especially when they've proved time and time again that they don't really need 3rd parties to be successful). Microsoft NEEDS 3rd parties and good relations in the West & East to survive meanwhile, Nintendo doesn't. Nintendo is pretty self-sufficient. 



Mr Puggsly on 09 May 2013
Wright said:


So much hate ¬¬ you're discriminating a culture you don't understand, nor want to comprehend.

There have been far more horrible things in western games through the years than in eastern games, I'm afraid.

Hate is a strong word, sir.

18, fine.

16, weird.

13, I frown upon that.

Anyhow, if you want to continue this wonderful discussion do it on my wall or something.



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BluGamer23 on 10 May 2013
pezus said:

BluGamer23 said:
yeh your right Japan irrelevant!.. it doesnt like the wiiU.. so they dont matter.. so is the UK and the US.. all irrelevant! .. 

and those guys who hates the wiiU.. they all pretty much very irrelevant.. =)

Haha it's just that you pretty much painted yourself into a corner. Either you're a WiiU fan or you think Japan is relevant. Both isn't possible according to your post

lol .. Im a wiiU fan.. they have wiiU trouble in Japan (and everywhere) but thats just because its due to no new software releases.. but Japan is relevant.. heck any market is relevant... 

but in MS case.. its fans would call it irrelevant.. when x360 has all their major software released there and yet the console sale sucks.. then yep.. only thing to say for them is Japan irrelevant... 

but if someone was to ask MS if they think Japan is relevant.. its a BIG YES.. why else do they continue to bother with it even with such terribad sales.



 

 

the_dengle on 10 May 2013

Is Japan "irrelevant"?

7th-Gen Console Sales:

As a market, Japan is less relevant than either America or Europe, or the sum of other territories displayed as "Rest of World" on VGChartz.

"Oh, but Japan is more interested in handhelds, that's where they're truly relevant."

7th-Gen Handheld Console Sales:

Still a smaller cut of the pie than America or Europe. Not irrelevant, but certainly less relevant.