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Runa216 said:

it had to do with the people who ARE being racist and sexist.  It's up to you to identify who those people are. 

This far in the thread I haven't seen any.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEO_28VrJLQ 

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"You raise an interesting poi nt. About 15 years ago I saw this TV program that studied gay behaviour and gay parents. Please don't ask me to reference it as I do not remember what it was.

What it discovered (assuming it wasn't altered results) is that 8/10 gay couples who adopted children ended up with a child who turned out to be gay when they become older.

Now was this genetics or simply influence like in a straight family where children learn that straight is the norm in their house hold? also jsut like racists a taught to be racist and not born racist."

It would be influence, if a child were to grow up in a gay household surrounded by gay men it would only be a normal way of life for him, it would be all he would know for the most part so obviously the odds of him ending up gay is gonna be higher than a person from a normal family.

I don't think genetics are a huge part in it really, people are just attracted to different kinds of people, some like blondes some like red heads, some like asians and some just like men, it's just a matter of taste.

I think people that have noticed they are attracted to the same sex should at least try and fight it, they definitley shouldnt be encouraged, being gay is not something to be proud of, life isnt created from it and it just spreads disease. They do themselves no favours by being so obviously gay thats why theres most of the hate for them..

It's one thing to like men but theres no need to put on the silly voice, where the silly clothes and have the exaggerated female mannerisms, they're still men.

 

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Frozone said:
"You raise an interesting poi nt. About 15 years ago I saw this TV program that studied gay behaviour and gay parents. Please don't ask me to reference it as I do not remember what it was.

What it discovered (assuming it wasn't altered results) is that 8/10 gay couples who adopted children ended up with a child who turned out to be gay when they become older.

Now was this genetics or simply influence like in a straight family where children learn that straight is the norm in their house hold? also jsut like racists a taught to be racist and not born racist."

It would be influence, if a child were to grow up in a gay household surrounded by gay men it would only be a normal way of life for him, it would be all he would know for the most part so obviously the odds of him ending up gay is gonna be higher than a person from a normal family.

I don't think genetics are a huge part in it really, people are just attracted to different kinds of people, some like blondes some like red heads, some like asians and some just like men, it's just a matter of taste.

I think people that have noticed they are attracted to the same sex should at least try and fight it, they definitley shouldnt be encouraged, being gay is not something to be proud of, life isnt created from it and it just spreads disease. They do themselves no favours by being so obviously gay thats why theres most of the hate for them..

It's one thing to like men but theres no need to put on the silly voice, where the silly clothes and have the exaggerated female mannerisms, they're still men.

Well there's your problem

Yep, just like all those gay kids who grew up in straight households and ended up gay, or all those nerds growing up in jock culture, or all those hippies growing up in a square environment.  

Wow, that just...wow.  Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit A.  you guys want to know why I've become so bitter throughout this thread, resorting to dismissive condemnation and aggressive disregard?  This is precisely why: comments like this.   

1 - Anyone with a brain (and especially those with particularly extraordinary ones) know that there are few things more emotionally or mentally scarring than forcing people to go agaisnt their instincts.  Sure, there are SOME instincts that are harmful and should be dissuaded (like that desire to shit on your boss's desk when he pisses you off), but there's no reason to condemn homosexuality, as the act itself doesn't do any harm (in fact it does good)

2 - They most certainly should be encouraged.  diversity and honesty are important parts of a stable, healthy environment.  

3 - No, something you are born with is NOT something you should be proud of, you should be proud of something you earned, such as winning an olympic medal or graduating college as a member of the dean's list/honor roll.  However, just because you shouldn't be PROUD of something that's innate, you certainly shouldn't be ashamed of it any more than you should be ashamed if you were black, or had an oddly shaped nose, or were born with really big hands.  

4 - Life may not be created from it, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing.  abstinence doesn't create life either, but you don't see anyone protesting the clergy's desire to not procreate (and I won't even make an altar boy joke!).  In fact, it's BETTER to not make life becuase our population is horribly over capacity and that's one of the main reasons Climate change exists and so many people live in poverty.  the world could use a HUGE dip in birth rate, and Gays are one of the best ways to go about doing that:  the more people who are homosexual, the less new births there are! 

5 - Causality.  Learn about it. Correlation is not the same as causality.  Disease can be spread by ANY unprotected sex, and those stats you use are outdated by close to 30 years.  The world has changed, time to get with the times.  Also, holy shit ignorance here!  What if I told you that playing games made you fat?  

6 - No, there's hate for them becuase the church decided that homosexuality is apparently a sin, which I belive originated from the pope deciding that every sperm is sacred, and condemning any act that spilled sperm and didn't make more catholic babies.  Even as the world matured, some of our old traditions just won't go away, and religion is one of them.  Also, assuming that ALL gays prance about in pink spandex and sparkly feather boas is the worst kind of stereotyping.  This is precisely WHY I have no respect for those who have no respect for gays. 

So yeah, every single thing you said is fallacious in some way or another.  *Insert joke about not remembering how to breathe* 



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Frozone said:
"You raise an interesting poi nt. About 15 years ago I saw this TV program that studied gay behaviour and gay parents. Please don't ask me to reference it as I do not remember what it was.

What it discovered (assuming it wasn't altered results) is that 8/10 gay couples who adopted children ended up with a child who turned out to be gay when they become older.

This is most probably wrong from what research has shown.

After analysing research both the APA & ACLU have stated that children who have gay parents have the same odds of being heterosexual or homosexual as children who have straight parents. In fact the vast majority of children adopted or brought up by gay parents are straight. 

Overview of Lesbian and Gay Parenting, Adoption and Foster Care - April 6, 1999 Fact Sheet - ACLU

Now I'm not sure what the number is for biological children of gay parents (via surrogacy), but as there is some genetic link with homosexuality the number of children who become homosexual may be higher.



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I would be dissapointed if my son chose not to continue the bloodline, wether he chose to remain a virgin or gay.

You raise an interesting poi nt. About 15 years ago I saw this TV program that studied gay behaviour and gay parents. Please don't ask me to reference it as I do not remember what it was.

What it discovered (assuming it wasn't altered results) is that 8/10 gay couples who adopted children ended up with a child who turned out to be gay when they become older.

Now was this genetics or simply influence like in a straight family where children learn that straight is the norm in their house hold? also jsut like racists a taught to be racist and not born racist.

MY VIEW: modern research shows that being gay is a genetic thing. I do agree with this, however even after so many years of seeing that progam, it still makes me wonder if some percentage of gay people have actually been influenced into being gay, as 8/10 gay couples  is a pretty high probablity of getting a genetically gay baby.

what do others think?

Please show a link to the show, because ALL the other scientific literature I have reviewed shows the opposite.

That having two Dads or two Moms show a negligible chance that their child will be gay. 

In addition most kids I know raise by same sex parents are strait.

It sounds invented for a target audience .  Like that fake ‘historian’ that is trying to ruin PBS or something Pat Robinson would make up.  Robinson said, “9/11 was caused by People for the American Way” and other such data errors.

OR Do you really think being gay is contagious?

 



 

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PlaystaionGamer said:
i don't get gay hate.. i mean i have a few gay mates and it doesn't bother me because why would it? its disturbes me when i see things like this because i have to think.. why does this guys dad care so much on where his sons dick goes?

Many people believe in the traditional family unit. It isn't about disturbance, at least not most of the time. Parents want the best for their kids, and sometimes it's easier to just give up on them rather than try to work around the percieved fault, although this is not as morally sound for most individuals, it is by far easier emotionally and effortly

Is it really though? The guy's effectively killed off his son in his mind. Maybe it takes less effort, but emotionally I think it's a mixed bag, whether he realises it yet or not. Personally, I'd use the word cowardly rather than easier.

Afterall, it's definitely not easier for his son on an emotional level.

It's easier for the parent emotionally. Rather than see something he doesn't agree with, and working to agree with it, it is just easier to forget about one's son, and from the matter of the letter it seems like the father put much contemplation into it. I'd think that once somebody is older, they lose the will to fight for something they believe in, and sometimes its just easier to give up and let things run their course, and if you dislike it, you distance yourself. It depends on the person I'd think, to be honest. 



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Player1x3 said:
 

So...much...fail...in one post...this post gave me cancer


If you have any arguments, bring them forth. My post is supported by science and logic, where is yours?

Also, best get that cancer treated because no god or afterlife is gonna help you with that.

How the FUCK is your post supported by science, let alone logic ??? And im not gonna bring any arguments, because this discussion would be highly off topic. I just felt some urge to express my opinion on that clusterfuck of a post. Don't feel like you should reply to me


I'm sad to see this is all you got. I am really not interested on wether you think my post is good or bad, i'm interested in the reasons. You give none, therefore you got no case. The forum isnt a place where you put out your frustrations. If you dont have a case, dont bother replying to my post, otherwise its just trolling is it not?



Seriously this is how disappointment sounds. I dont read HATE in there. He even wishes his son a good life etc.

But on the other hand posting this private letter so the whole world can see it is just personal revenge and is idiotic and childish. Whats the purpose other than showing the world how STUPID his father was? Just because a father disowned his son its not okay to act as stupid as the father did.

I mean the SON wants to change the father so the father lives a more open lifestyle and accepts the gay son and the father wants to change the son so the son is more "normal".

They are even. There is no point in changing people go and find friends etc that accept you the way you are and stop constantly whining about how hard something is and stop trying to shape the world as you want it to be.
The longer someone lives a certain lifestyle the harder it is to change it so the son should know that this could have happened. The father on the other hand was also blind and thought he could fix the mistake his "young" "stupid" son did.

Agree or disagree as much as you want but for me the son is an uber idiot no matter what his father did or didn't do.

its always easy to talk shit but experiencing stuff is different. I have a really bad relationship with my father. Who cares?  Im a seperate person he is a seperate person. There is no chain  keeping me from living my own life. Sure its not easy and its not fair to have a bad father but thats life. Other people have worse problems  like starving etc. We are just whining because we dont have the PERFECT LIFE as seen on some tv shows or commercials or whatever.





This thread is getting worse and worse.