You can't have Anti-theism without atheism :)

1. I saw the argument. You said it isn't natural but it very obviously is. I do agree that some things, even though occure natrually, might not be catogorized as "ethical" or right. Yet I still concede that Homosexuality is not one of these things.

2. You said they are inferior. I was inquiring how. It is very apparent that homosexuals are very productive members of society and can contribute just as much as any heterosexual. The idea that homosexuals are not functional simply because they do not procreate in a traditional sense is highly faulty. I mean just because gays do not come into direct contact to pro create doesn't really mean squat. Plenty of other forms of animal life(which all humans are are advanced animals at our core) do not come into direct contact to make babies. Many forms of fish lay their eggs and the male comes and fertalizes them seperately. This sounds a lot like primitive invitro to me. Not all hetero couples want kids, does that make them inferior or broken? No, because procreation is just one facet of life and while it is a necessity to sustain further life it is NOT required of all of us and nature knows this.

As for disease, yes we all know of the dreaded HIV/STD issue. And yes it was THOUGHT to be exclusive homosex disease.....as we all know not to be true now as many straight people get it just as often, just as easily. The only form of sex where it becomes virtually impossible to pass it along to partners is surprisingly.....lesbian sex. In turn, it is the male who is the weak link in the disease,as they are key to spreading it. The only reason gays were known as HIV's main target is simply because we stereotypically have gratuitous amounts of non monogomous sex. I wont even go into the conspiracy theory that HIV was a form of biological warfare to eliminate gays and viciously backfired.

In short, none of these thinks make Homosexuals inferior in any way. We are all equal, much to many conservative's dismay.

How does anyone think gays exist now? They are BORN from HETEROSEXUALS! Its not like some kind of cult where if you kill the members you kill the idea. There is no ideal, there is no agenda, homosexuality has found a way to survive throughout history without falter. Does anyone truely believe that just because Gays cannot procreate in a traditional sense, that that stops your next heterosexual child from being gay?

Your logic is flawed.

You need a hug there xD?

That rule is some what moot as every thing you say there will always be someone out there who is offended or harmed by those words.

A good example in this thread is all the bagging out of religion. how do you think a religious person would feel? Isn't the freedom of speech hurting these people? so does this mean people should stop having a public opinion on religion? If anything it shows these people have more hate in them than the father who is simply heartbroken and sad his son is gay. At least he was honest to his son. Yes its sad that he doesn't want anythign to do with his gay son, but not like that message to his son was pure hatred.

Not a double standard.  One is science, one is not.  If you could prove that the bible was scientifically sound, then I'd gladly take any of your nonsense as more than nonsense.  Not double standards, there are guidelines.  The burden of proof is on you, until you actually prove any of your claims, I will continue to dismiss them. 

I would be dissapointed if my son chose not to continue the bloodline, wether he chose to remain a virgin or gay.

You raise an interesting poi nt. About 15 years ago I saw this TV program that studied gay behaviour and gay parents. Please don't ask me to reference it as I do not remember what it was.

What it discovered (assuming it wasn't altered results) is that 8/10 gay couples who adopted children ended up with a child who turned out to be gay when they become older.

Now was this genetics or simply influence like in a straight family where children learn that straight is the norm in their house hold? also jsut like racists a taught to be racist and not born racist.

MY VIEW: modern research shows that being gay is a genetic thing. I do agree with this, however even after so many years of seeing that progam, it still makes me wonder if some percentage of gay people have actually been influenced into being gay, as 8/10 gay couples  is a pretty high probablity of getting a genetically gay baby.

what do others think?

damn i did wonder why this thread went so huge but then i realized:

thread has something to do with "gay" and playerx is posting in it = will get a lot of posts

i know you always say you shouldn't get banned because you have nothing against gays and so on but yeah, at least you seem to have a problem with that topic whatever the reason is or you wouldn't always post in these threads to say what you say.

You may as well treat atheism like a religion.

The reason I say that is an equal amount of atheists who seem to spread the same message spending as much time bagging out God (someone we don't believe in) as much as religious nuts speaking about gay people being a sin.

The problem is these people get so worked up about this that the social media sites are now filled with this shit.

Atheists messages vs Religious message. A good example is facebook now days/ I didn't join facebook for half my friends to fight the other firends as keyboard warriors of religion and atheism. I joined because I wanted to keep in touch with them as they were part of my shaping me in primary and high school despite what their beliefs are.

The fact is majority of athiests and religious people are normal people. It is only a minority in these groups (you included) who seem to have a NEED to be extremely devoted to your belief.

The people on both sides who accept that we all have different beliefs will live a more productive life then those who spend a good portion of their life time trying to argue against the other.