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jarrod on 11 October 2010
ElGranCabeza said:
jarrod said:
Hero_time88 said:
jarrod said:
Hero_time88 said:

Also, a lot here say that MHIII sold great on the Wii, because it outsold the PS2 entries, which was before the "monster hunter boom" that happened during the PSP-era, but pretty much every analyst in Japan agrees that it underperformed, and that also is a game appeals to a wide audience, like kids, teenagers and adults there.

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Outside the crazy head of Famitsu (who also said DQIX underperformed, lol) who else in the JP industry has said MH3 underperformed?

Also, MH2 released after MHP.  And the best version of MH2 released after MHP2... so really, MH2 came alongside the PSP MH boom, yet that didn't translate to console sales either...

The Crazy head of Media-create there are still about 100k copies on the shelves which they haven't been able to sell for a budget price.

The monster hunter franchise also wasn't  nearly as big in 2005-6 as with it  was in 2009, which was after Freedom 2.

Can you source said quote or are you simply comparing tracked sales to shipments?  Having less than 10% overstock isn't exactly underperforming either. And which analysts in Japan said MH3 underperformed again?

MHP sold well over a million, while MH2 (which released later) only did about 600-700k total.  And the Best version of MH2 came out in 2007 (well after MHP2, which sold ~1.7m), it didn't even break 150k... again, MH2 PS2 came out while MH was BOOMING on PSP, yet those sales didn't translate to the pay-to-play console... Frontier's been a decent success (for what it is) and it's sales don't compare either...

A game that doesn't sell out of its initial shipment even when it goes in the bomba bin for many months under performs, no ifs, buts or maybes about it. It's not a bomba, but it did perform under expectations and to say anything to the contrary is borderline fanboyism.

But Capcom themselves said it met sales expectations.  Ergo, the borderline fanboyism would in trying to argue otherwise, in the face of that.

Also, MH3 sold out it's initial shipment (1m).  If it didn't, retailers wouldn't have ordered 150k more...



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ElGranCabeza on 11 October 2010
jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said:
jarrod said:
KillerMan said:

Actually MGS4 sold about the same amount as previous MGS games

MGS1: 781k

MGS2: 869k

MGS3: 831k

MGS4: 818k (still selling)

Wrong.

 

Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty

 

  • 832,719
  • 42,160 (Mega Hits!)
  • 147,541 Substance
  • 37,595 (Konami Collection)
  • 47,993 Substance (Konami Collection)
  • 52,679 (Metal Gear Collection)

 

 

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

 

  • 819,807
  • 133,339 Subsistence
  • 52,679 (Metal Gear Collection)
  • 25,809 (Metal Gear 20th Anniversary)
  • 62,095 (The Best)

 

 

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

 

 

  • 706,641
  • 146,827 (The Best)

 

 

 

Metal Gear Solid (5): Peace Walker

 

  • 737,615 

 


Poor comparison as you're including subsistance on MGS2 and MGS3 and even including collection. Hell if there's a MGS HD Collection on PS3 that includes MGS2 and MGS3 I bet you'd count that too huh?

With that said MGS4 did under perform, but not nearly as bad as you're implying, especially when you consider the price and state of the PS3 at the time.

MGS2S and MGS3S also work against a comparison negatively for MGS2/MGS3 as they took away sales that would've gone to catalogue sales of the original or budget versions of the games.  If we had a MGS4S, then MGS4 would've also sold much less than it has for the original version (probably 800k max).

The best comparison would be comparing like with like, and for that we really have only the original print release sales (833k MGS2, 820k MGS3, 707k MGS4).  A significant drop, though I agree it could've gone way worse (hello Musou/VF/Mingol/etc).

Sure, you can make that argument, but your comparison is still flawed due to the amount of re-releases of MGS2/3 compared to MGS4. And yeah I guess we can say that the release of the original is the best comparison but seeing the state of sales for MGSPW makes me wonder if the hardcore gamers that used to buy MGS at full price have moved on.



ElGranCabeza on 11 October 2010
jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said:
jarrod said:
Hero_time88 said:
jarrod said:
Hero_time88 said:

Also, a lot here say that MHIII sold great on the Wii, because it outsold the PS2 entries, which was before the "monster hunter boom" that happened during the PSP-era, but pretty much every analyst in Japan agrees that it underperformed, and that also is a game appeals to a wide audience, like kids, teenagers and adults there.

.

Outside the crazy head of Famitsu (who also said DQIX underperformed, lol) who else in the JP industry has said MH3 underperformed?

Also, MH2 released after MHP.  And the best version of MH2 released after MHP2... so really, MH2 came alongside the PSP MH boom, yet that didn't translate to console sales either...

The Crazy head of Media-create there are still about 100k copies on the shelves which they haven't been able to sell for a budget price.

The monster hunter franchise also wasn't  nearly as big in 2005-6 as with it  was in 2009, which was after Freedom 2.

Can you source said quote or are you simply comparing tracked sales to shipments?  Having less than 10% overstock isn't exactly underperforming either. And which analysts in Japan said MH3 underperformed again?

MHP sold well over a million, while MH2 (which released later) only did about 600-700k total.  And the Best version of MH2 came out in 2007 (well after MHP2, which sold ~1.7m), it didn't even break 150k... again, MH2 PS2 came out while MH was BOOMING on PSP, yet those sales didn't translate to the pay-to-play console... Frontier's been a decent success (for what it is) and it's sales don't compare either...

A game that doesn't sell out of its initial shipment even when it goes in the bomba bin for many months under performs, no ifs, buts or maybes about it. It's not a bomba, but it did perform under expectations and to say anything to the contrary is borderline fanboyism.

But Capcom themselves said it met sales expectations.  Ergo, the borderline fanboyism would in trying to argue otherwise, in the face of that.

Also, MH3 sold out it's initial shipment (1m).  If it didn't, retailers wouldn't have ordered 150k more...


Show me, and please don't give me a blog "source" this time.



Hero_time88 on 11 October 2010

No it didn´t, I believe there was a Capcom report that sayd that they shipped 1100k copies for Japan, and about 100k of them haven't been sold despite the budgetprice

Enterbrain President Disappointed with Monster Hunter 3 Sales

Despite the title selling a million copies on Wii, the president believes it could have sold better.

In a recent interview with Japanese website Mainichi.jp, Enterbrain President Hirokazu Hamamura expressed his disappointment over the sales of Capcom's Monster Hunter 3 in Japan. "I thought it would sell more. Crossing the million mark was the passing grade, though. On the Wii, which doesn't have games targeting core game fans, it made a strong effort against the 'hurdles' of being on a console and being a network game. However, I believe they wanted it to reach 1.5 million to 2 million copies."

The title was a strong performer throughout the whole year, coming in at number eight in ASCII's list of the year's best sellers with 949,095 copies sold.

Despite its relatively modest performance, Hamamura noted that the title could still be a strong seller for the rest of the year, especially if a new Monster Hunter title is released. He also hopes that the release of core games like Monster Hunter will grow the core market on the console.



I LOVE GIGGS on 11 October 2010

11/10

01. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 3rd - 2719 pt (40)
02. [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 (First Print Version) - 369pt (7)
03. [PSP] God Eater Burst (Append Edition) - 367pt (13)
04. [Wii] Super Mario Collection: Special Pack. -  247pt (18)
05. [PS3] Tales of Graces F - 159pt (4) 
07. [Wii] Kirby Epic Yarn  - 94 pt (17)
08. [NDS] Super Robot Wars L - 79pt (1)
06. [PS3] Final Fantasy Versus XIII - 75pt
09. [PS3] Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 - 67pt (2)
10. [PSP] Lord of Arcana - 57pt (2)
11. [PSP] Akb1/48 (Limited Edition) - 54 pt (6)
12. [PSP] Tactics Ogre: The Wheel of Fortune - 47pt
13. [PS3] Naruto - Naruto - Shippuuden Narutimettosutomu 2 - 44pt (2)
14. [PSP] God Eater Burst (Limited Edition) - 43pt
15. [PSP] Shining Hearts - 39 pt (1)
16.[PS3] VANQUISH - 37pt 
17. [PSP] PSP DC I, II & III ~ Da Capo~ - 30 pt (1)
18. [PSP] Sangokushi Engi ~ Dreamer Koihime (Limited Edition)  - 29 pt
19. [PS3] Fallout: New Vegas - 29 pt
20. [PSP] Phantasy Star 2 Infinity - 28 pt



PSP ---> 10
PS3---> 7
NDS ---> 1
Wii ---> 2
360 ---> 0

 



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kopstudent89 on 11 October 2010

KIRBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Nintendogamer on 11 October 2010

Kirby and mario had a big increase this day :D



Buying in 2015: Captain toad: treasure tracker,

mario maker

new 3ds

yoshi woolly world

zelda U

majora's mask 3d

nen-suer on 11 October 2010
jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said:

A game that doesn't sell out of its initial shipment even when it goes in the bomba bin for many months under performs, no ifs, buts or maybes about it. It's not a bomba, but it did perform under expectations and to say anything to the contrary is borderline fanboyism.

But Capcom themselves said it met sales expectations.  Ergo, the borderline fanboyism would in trying to argue otherwise, in the face of that.

Also, MH3 sold out it's initial shipment (1m).  If it didn't, retailers wouldn't have ordered 150k more...

But when Sony say something similar you still call it a flop

Anyways i agree with you, if Capcom is pleased who cares what anyone else thinks.



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nen-suer on 11 October 2010

God Eater Burst is doing crazy good. Isn't it just GE with extras o_0



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Beuli2 on 11 October 2010
nen-suer said:

God Eater Burst is doing crazy good. Isn't it just GH with extras o_0

What does Guitar Hero has to do with this?!



Above: still the best game of the year.