In the general media, no one. Over here, half the freaking site. Actually it's who thought Wii Sports would fail to generate great sales of the Wii. That was everybody. I remember the lambasting Nintendo was getting for packaging Wii Sports instead of Zelda, since Zelda would sell more consoles.

I don't get, people are allowed to list sony published games, but as soon as someone lists microsoft published games they don't count?

No, they published them. Regardless of their ownership over the IPs themselves, they still took the chance on them. That is the point of this topic, no? Taking a chance on new IPs? As a publisher you take the chance on the games you release. Sony doesn't create every new IP in house either. They happen to retain the majority of them based on deals they make with the developer, but I doubt they created the IPs prior to the creation of the games.

While i can see your point in saying that those are not 1st party Microsoft, though would it matter where they are made?

the fact that Microsoft is a publisher of game's an also a developer, the Idea is to get game's published for the system, and Microsoft is more of a publisher than a game developer. 

Not to say that Microsoft does not make good game's or anything far from it. Microsoft has been more of a publisher for game's for 3rd party's rather than make the game's themselves. That's the way Microsoft has been operating the xbox div. and IT's going to be slow to change

When ED fries and other's started the Xbox project it was about creating the game's an not just about publishing them.

as you can see that's not the way it is now. An to Microsoft it's not likely to change because it work's for them to do it that way

look at it this way:

gear's franchise

halo franchise

just to name a couple of game's that have cemented as a good franchise and both made by other companies for Microsoft, If other companies are more than willing to make game's for your system would it matter where the game came from as long as it can be published for your game system?

yea, I know that many see that very few 3rd parties take full advantage of the hardware in a system, and that may be true but if the game is fun that is what should matter should it not?

for me I like when developer's take a real interest in what the system is able to do and strive for the very best game they can offer, and until people are in their shoe's they have no Idea what that is. and I for one think that Quite a number of developer's are slammed over their game not being seen as good or up to par as another game. 

Well the way I see it the Developer's are not all the same and their talent's differ some will be better than other's, and I just play their game's

some I like some I do not, but I choose not to slam a developer over a game, due to he just may not have better skill at the trade over another developer.

So when Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo publish a game they do it because they found the game to be fun, you or I may not agree with it but They looked at it as a viable game for entertainment.

I think quite a bit has been swept under the rug about the aspect's of game's and their ability to provide fun if they happen to not be 1st party

and it all goes back to the developer's skill and what the publisher deem's worthy to publish or not publish.

To me if the game is on multiple platform's , that's fine and dandy do I think it devalues the game for me as it's not an Exclusive In some cases yes, most is its a no. but i mainly buy a game system for the Exclusives, So multiplat-form game's are not in my priority. but I still buy them

Fair enough though MS publishing these has more to do with having exclusivity then taking chances.

Resistance=Insomniac, Infamous=Sucker Punch, Heavy Rain=Quantic Dream, Heavenly Sword=Ninja Theory, etc.

What's your point?

Regarding Nintendo, quality is subjective, and most gaming budgets vary greatly and most are unknown. I could easily say Gran Turismo 5 is a small budget game because it's 60 million budget is nowhere near the 100 million budget of GTA IV and Shenmue, but I understand both can be large budget even with 40 million between them.

why are people complainging about Gears? yes its an Epic IP but MS publish.

one of the main reason for somy pushing out new IP a see it is that they have the abillity. Thier first party in terms of studios owned by them and ones that work exclusively with them is HUGE.

MS first party is much smaller.

for nintendo i think theve become a victim of their own success. they have so many high quality popular franchises that many of theur teams are stuck doing the same games. even though theve primarily put out franchised games there are still people clamouring for more. With monolith soft and Project Sora aquisition theres a clear intent to get new IP. hopfully as they get franchises out of the way new IPs will become more common

Acquiring exclusivity of a game so one can publish it is another form of taking a chance on it. In fact, by putting the extra money into exclusivity of a new IP you don't even own and then publishing it, like MS has done with Gears and Mass Effect, is taking the biggest chance of them all.

I'm inclined to agree with this post. New IPs are all well and good but they need new ideas and evolutions for people to want to buy them. I think Sony has done this gen with games like LBP, Uncharted (in that it mixes so many game mechanics) and even the weirdo controls in Killzone 2.

I think the people complaining about Nintendo are basically complaining that Nintendo seems to have stopped generating new IPs for core/traditional gamers. In defense of Nintendo though, they have evolved the core franchises and experimented with them a fair bit over the years, otherwise people wouldn't buy them.

i assure it not over 20 million.

 as for first party on microsoft, they can't right now compete with sony in first party offerings just third party publishing.

60 $ million its not small by any means, anything over 15millions its alot of money. and it's pretty much give neither of those small games cost that much.

and neither of the games have scored really well on meta or game rankings. so the only way to label as quality it's sales. but jonas brothers also sell alot.