2m without bundles...

4-5 million, i think this game will definitely be bundled

By the way, Forza 2 is on about 1.8m if you don't count bundles.

2.5 million without bundles

5 - 6 with

Yes we all know that thanks very much ...

Well I would be surprised if we all knew that, considering you have to click on the sales history button to find that out, rather than just look at the Forza 2 page. Also, judging by some of the predictions in this thread, very few of us knew it.

Plus, seeing as in the OP it says sales not including Pack-ins, I thought it was appropriate to mention. The holiday bundle more than doubled its sales, so it is very decieving.

95% of people knew its sales were bundled, a lot of people blieve it can do 4+ million without bundles.

Depends if its bundled or not.

~2.5Million of no bundles

~4.5-5Million with bundles.

4.25m-5.3m

Forza 2 was heavily bundled. What I honestly think will happen, is:

73k Japan
1.8m Others
2.75m Americas - 4.65 million lifetime.

Forza sold great, but it wasn't really popular, or discussed. It is only mentioned this much now to fuel a fanboy war between MS and Sony (Forza and Gran Turismo)

Less then 3m, GT5 drops anywhere near (months) it will destroy F3s sales.