MS astroturfers are hard at work since months even here.

All these Malstrom threads make them inevitably come out, didn't you notice they all get huge numbers of posts trying to kill the messenger?

It's funny also that the MS astroturfers and shills (or viral marketers like Malstrom say) are still stuck in their "attack the messenger" and "syndrome of false authority" tactics. MS vaporware is always orchestrated so that their shills can do their job with the syndrome of false authority: how can you say Spielberg is lying? how can you say <insert famous people> can't be believed? Of course, none of these people have any knowledge in gaming and can be fooled pretty easily.

I completely agree with Malstrom on this one BTW. For now, Natal is completely vaporware.

Vaporware was the main MS tactic to destroy its competitors in other fields, as MS is a marketing company.

But it doesn't seem to work in gaming industry. It sure enough didn't work against another competitor similar to Nintendo in master of their field: Apple.

I think this is why MS lost control of the Natal hype: vaporware doesn't work in the gaming industry, and they don't understand entertainment either (they never did since they started trying to steal from Apple 20 years ago).

I'm still waiting for true informations, like what exactly is in the SDK sent to developers? It's software AND hardware, right?

Where are the people who tested that Natal thing? I see only selected people tried it behind closed doors. This makes no sense and is just not like the Wii, at all.

If it ever comes out, I still say this Natal thing is bound to fail, with the current informations leaked.

Nintendo are successful because of honesty, originality, creativity and quality. Right?

But MS is a successful company only because they're nasty ruthless copycat liars.

Jebus! Someone calling something vaporware when it has been shown multipul times and is at least a year out. There are just to many quotes we would put in our sigs, but most of you are just out of your mind. I haven't seen shit like this since the Wii's controllerr was shown

Exactly!

Also, I still don't understand the MS and Sony fanboys. Years of laughing at the stupid wiimote, and now all of a sudden, it is the cool thing to do.  I bought my ps3 for the hardcore games, not for waggle. Sony and MS are going three feet under soon if they keep going like this.

You act as if every single HD gamer was against motion control... good job one siding this shit.  I don't know what to think of your comments... I mean are you a Wii fanboy of some sorts?  You can't seem to find a balance in your discussions and you keep talking about Microsoft as if this is the same company that it was in the 90s.  The Xbox team has gone to great lengths to find a solution they feel takes the next step and for this thought of trying something new they get dogged left a right.... I don't know about you, but you guys are sounding awful lot like the anti-wii guys did back when they showed off the Wiimote.

Who's Malstrom?

Confrimed, Malstrom > PHD educated marketing execs at MS

@dcIKeeL. HappySquirrell has already spared me the trouble of having to explain what Hardcore truly is, so I hope you read what he wrote. It's how the games are played that counts, not the genre. Console FPS have always been casual, hell even console gaming in it's entierety is almost always casual in some way or another.

You say you're tired of all Nintendo sequels. Well, that's what they have been doing even back in the SNES days, and I almost never see people complaining about the SNES. The difference is that Nintendo had good third party support back then, and got original games from elsewere. The Wii is slowly regaining that third party support, so yea you will see plenty of different real games coming out for Wii. If you don't like Wii, then buy another system, but don't give me all this "Nintendo is d00med". It's getting old.

This discussion was about the Natal hype not working as microsoft planned, and Malstrom is probably right about that. It has no release date and no true public demonstrations. It's vapourware. Microsoft can have all the goals thay want, but it all comes down to execution.

Just to clue you in, Natal was demoed on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon and on other shows as well.  Seriously before you start making claims at least get a key known fact about the product correct.

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Did he show games near to completion? When is its release date? Clarify whether it will be for XB360 too or only for XB720?