that kinda contradicts their marketing hype of no controller needed and the controller is "YOU!" part though. (/clapclap....) and if I do that, instead of breaking TVs, I'll be able to break through walls I guess.

I don't see it conflicting with the "hype" if it's optional.
And in case they really plan to let you hold things, I'm sure they will find a way to make it work with (light and cheap) plastic models that immitate the basic shape.

then the whole not needing extra accessories argument would be crushed, and you'd need a wristband for every single one since there is no standard controller, nothing but trouble, this is nothing but a pain in the ass.

I'm going to start all of my threads with the name Malstrom from now on.

Threads that start with the name Malstrom always get over 200 responses.

@ dahuman )

No, the argument would still holds weight, because you don't "need" something that is purely _optional_.

And all MS has to do is implement the recognization software, so you can use a range of different objects and then make it mandatory for "360-licensed" plastic models to have wristbands (although I think that may be not needed as those likely weigh far less than a wiimote).They don't need to manufacture those themselves.

From my understanding that should protect them from possible lawsuits as people could have used different objects (e.g. the "safe" licensed models) or no object at all to play.

Natal reminds me of all hype and "demos" that went on for years with chicago. It managed to kill OS/2, might work again this time although the circumstances are different. Computer Vision simply has a ways to go as a field and is probably 5-10 years off from mass market applications (or at least that seems to be the academic consensus).

I have a suggestion for a NATAL "optional" object for feedback: a fork.
A fork would really be perfect for at least three reasons: it reminds both a Morrowind and a Planescape: Torment sidequests.
You can poke it in the eyes of innocent bystanders.
It remind me of a joke happened in my family decennia ago: in the late '20s or early '30s my maternal granny was passionately speaking about politics with her brothers and sisters-in-law, one of them nonchalantly handed her a fork and she absent-mindedly grabbed it and kept on speaking, widely gesticulating with that fork in the hand. When she stopped, finally she became aware of the fork, looked quite surprised for a moment, and everybody else burst into laughter.
And now, at last, thanks to NATAL Optional Fork™, everybody will be able to relive the same experience!
Hey, thinking of it, so my granny invented WiiMote and NATAL?

OMG this is going to be long.

I should have stopped caring about your post when you started to talk about "hardcore" and casuals. Seiously, do you even know what "Hardcore" is? Starcraft is a hardcore game, with a competitive arena and E-sport status, Gears of war is not! It's casual. Counterstrike is more of a Hardcore game, Killzone is not! People that do godly speedruns of Super Mario Bros, the lost levels are hardcore. People that trash talk over Xbox live are not! Seriously people need to get the difference!

To quote you from earlier in the thread: "It's inevitable, MS will take over the gaming industry. Look at all it's gained in it's short time in the industry against heavily established, deeply entrenched companies like Sony and Nintendo. Do you think it's going to stop? BTW, you are aware that the HD consoles are getting closer and closer to the Wii's sales, right?"

Yea, you never said microsoft wouldn't take over the gaming industry, riiiiiight.

Looks like it's time for me to go get my Wii bingo board, I think I can get at least one bingo from this :P.

You are assuming:

1: Controllers need to get even more innovative, like it's some kind of tech race. lol

2: Microsoft and Sony will push the technology and the ideas that Nintendo introduced beyond what Nintendo is capable off.

3: Microsoft has better strategies than Sony or Nintendo, and that they will never ever let go if they get a grip on the industry.

4: Nintendo haven't responded to Sony's and Microsoft's attempts at invading the new market.

5: Just because Nintendo cannot survive as many mistakes as Sony and MS, they are bound to make as many mistakes.

6: BAAAAWWWWW Nintendo betrayed the "Hardcore" Their core franchises are too few and far between.

7: Titles like Wii sports and Wii fit are shovelware.

8: "HARDCORE!!!1!!!11!!1" titles don't sell on Nintendo systems.

9: Motion controls is everything that separate Nintendo from the competition.

10: Apple is going to enter that market, and together with MS they are going to OMG PWN everything.

As for my answers:

1: It's not a tech race. Everything boils down to what the software can do with the interface. HD systems are very expensive to develop for unlike the Wii. This means that it is highly unlikely that Sony and MS will ever be able to provode enough motion control software for the systems to be able to compete with the Wii.

2: Nintendo are experts when it comes to hardware. No need to worry about them. Oh sorry, I forgot, they are d00med!

3: Microsoft having a better strategy than Sony this gen is just because of the mistakes Sony made, counting them out in the next generation is just stupid. Nintendo have proven that they have the best and most profitable strategy, Microsoft is still stuck using their tricks from their PC buisness.

4: Nintendo revealed the motion plus at E3 2008, because that's when they expected the competition to introduce their motion controls. But the competition was just too slow. Nintendo was way ahead all the time. Nintendo is ready for whatever the others will do to counbter.

5: You cannot predict if a company is going to make mistakes. Nintendo has made mistakes in the past, but so far, Iwatas strategy has proven itself to be almost flawless. You cannot predict something as random as mistakes to be the downfall of Nintendo. Wait, I forgot, Nintendo are d00med!

6: Are you seriously even trying to make sense? The Wii was the first Nintendo system ever to launch with a Zelda game. Nintendo titles are coming out faster than any other Nintendo system before it. It's great to be a Nintendo fan these days with Nintendo games coming out this fast. Three Marios in the same gen haven't happened since the NES!

7:The titles are quality. You just don't like them becuse they are not made for you.

8: When is the last time a REAL game was made for Wii that was not by Nintrendo? We got a black and white slaughter fest, a GTA clone that wasn't as good as GTA (No more heroes fans, pleas don't hate me. I didn't mean what I said, it's just what the game looks like the first time you look at it.) And, of course the bloody "hardcore you've been waiting for" LIGHT GUN GAME. How about third parties make an RPG? A true Final Fantasy game perhaps? How about an FPS that's built for Wii not PS2? How about a decent 3D fighter like Soul Calibur and not some spinoff? After these games show up, we can talk about sales. Also your definition of "hardore" games, just like many others is really messed up

9: What separates Nintendo from the competition is not just tech. It's their software and buisness model.

10: Apple would be foolish to enter such a crowded market. They are much better off just trying to disrupt from elsewere (iPhone, iPod)

I don't think so...
It's a step forward....
Let's see how the people will react....?

It's me or walls of text made of white characters on gray background are almost unreadable?