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price is big thing right now though advertising could have really helped up until this point

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To avoid argument, I guess I'll have to go with the consensus and say it does look like the PS3 is in big trouble (such big trouble that its going to do at least as well worldwide against the wii for the next five years as the psp frequently does against the ds in Japan).

My most anticipated games:  Whatever Hideo Kojima is going to do next, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Gran Turismo 5, Alan Wake, Wii Sports Resort.  Cave Story Wiiware.

No its not at that stage. If the next price cut failed to bring sales numbers aove the 360 then maybe we could think it was in serious trouble but this unlikely to happen.

Resident Evil 5
PS3-21.62M/RE5 1.78M
360-29.78M/RE5 1.69M

PS3/RE5 --------------360/RE5
J 3.02M/0.44M------J 1.01M/0.10M
A 8.23M/0.63M-----A 16.91M/1.03M
O 10.15/0.71M-----O 11.67M/0.56M

With a lot of great exclusive on the horizon. I don't agree with this article. A system is doomed if there are no games coming out on the system.

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Wow one first post and one fouth.

Bringing out the NOOBS with this one!

Here's my reply from the (now locked) thread:,2845,2345498,00.asp

Is the Playstation 3 doomed? Given the continuing spiral of reduced sales of the console, and of games that ship for the PS3, the situation has never been more dire for Sony's premiere gaming console. (1)

Every month, market research firm NPD releases the sales figures for the US (2) for the top selling consoles and video games.


Several things have occurred since March, 2008. First, the worldwide financial meltdown accelerated, which no doubt has an impact on buying habits of items like game consoles, which are certainly not necessities. Secondly, standalone Blu-ray players have substantially improved in performance and dropped in price.

So while you can argue that the PS3 is still one of the better Blu-ray players, a number of lower cost models that integrate better into A/V systems are now available.

And third, Microsoft dropped the price on the Xbox 360. (3)

That third point is probably one key reason Xbox 360 sales are up in March 2009, compared to March 2008. In fact, the 360 is the only console whose sales are up relative to a year ago. (On the other hand, even though the Nintendo Wii is down from a year ago, it's still nearly double the Xbox 360 figures.)

The problems facing Sony (at least in the US) are further illustrated by the sales numbers for the top ten video games.

Resident Evil 5 (Xbox 360) 938K
Pokemon Platinum (Nintendo DS) 805K
Halo Wars (Xbox 360) 639K
Resident Evil 5 (PS3) 585K
Wii Fit w/Balance Board (Nintendo Wii) 541K
MLB '09: The Show (PS3) 305K
Killzone 2 (PS3) 296K
Wii Play w/Remote (Nintendo Wii) 281K
Mario Kart w/Wheel (Nintendo Wii) 278K
Major League Baseball 2K9 (Xbox 360) 205K
Of the top ten, Xbox 360 software crushed the competition in terms of units, with a total of 1.78M games sold. Of course, Nintendo's Wii software sales probably made them more money. In that top ten, the Wii represents 1.1M units, but the Wii Fit, at 541K, is a game and controller combo that goes for around $90. The PS3 did eke out second place in software sales, falling just shy of 1.2M units. (4)

There are two key points to consider in those numbers. First, Resident Evil 5 on the Xbox 360 outdid RE5 on the PS3 by 60% (5). The second point is that Killzone 2, a PS3-exclusive and a major release for the PS3 didn't hit 300,000 units sold. That has to be a blow to Sony. (6)

Right now, the PS3 is simply too expensive, particularly in today's harsh economic conditions. $400 and up, is not competitive. And if PS3-exclusive titles keep selling poorly (7), developers who aren't owned by Sony are going to be very skittish about doing exclusives for Sony's current gen console.

That's the story for the US. Of course, Sony's home is Japan, and Bill Harris has a cogent analysis of just how poorly Sony is doing in its mother country (8). Bill plots a 12 month rolling average of console sales over the past decade, and it's quite illuminating.

Sony's PS3 is in dire trouble. It's notoriously difficult to program (9), which doesn't endear it to developers. Games don't sell as well on the PS3 as other consoles, which makes publishers skittish (10). Sony's flagship console needs a big price cut, but it's unclear if the PS3 can be cost-reduced enough to support it (11), given the continuing high cost of its components. The company may have no choice, if it wants to remain in the game. (12)


1) Really? What about Spring 2007?

2) US =/= world

3) Bingo.

4) So the PS3 beat the Wii?

5) Well duh, it's got more than double the PS3's US userbase.

6) You're kidding, right? The guy that wrote this article does know that it released in February and did 370k in NA first week...right?

7) How many PS3 exclusive titles have sold poorly? Haze and Lair come to mind, and they both sucked.

8) How poorly is it doing in Japan? Less poorly than the Wii and 360, apparently.

9) No, developers are just lazy. Look at CoD4. A multiplat game can look and run fantastic on PS3...

10) Yeah, cause the 360 and Wii are getting tonnes of third party exclusives, aren't they?

11) A price cut would put the PS3 ahead of the 360, until Microsoft returned with a price cut of their own.

12) True.

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MontanaHatchet said:
That's a terrible and disgusting analogy and it's not even accurate in any way,


Inaccurate...only time will tell.

weird why did my thread get locked?

Being a cricket fan is much simpler and more fun

^Because this one had more replies and was made first...

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