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SciFiBoy said:
Strategyking92 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Healthcare and Education are rights imo, i will never think otherwise, as i have empathy for the less fortunate in society

 

They are rights, huh? Tell that to the people of bangladesh. They are just now making progress on those "rights". It's a  privilege, because if your country wasn't as good as it was, you might not have those things. Just like technology, it's a privilege.

 

Because they are Rights we should help make sure people in other nations have them too

No. A person does not necessarily have to have education and Healthcare to survive. They are not rights. They are not necessary for a person to live a normal life.

"A privilege—etymologically "private law" or law relating to a specific individual—is a special entitlement or immunity granted by a government or other authority to a restricted group, either by birth or on a conditional basis."

 



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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Strategyking92 said:

No. A person does not necessarily have to have education and Healthcare to survive. They are not rights. They are not necessary for a person to live a normal life.

 

 

 

what a load of shite, so a normal life is one of illness and ignorance? people like you make me sick



Strategyking92 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Strategyking92 said:
SciFiBoy said:
Healthcare and Education are rights imo, i will never think otherwise, as i have empathy for the less fortunate in society

 

They are rights, huh? Tell that to the people of bangladesh. They are just now making progress on those "rights". It's a  privilege, because if your country wasn't as good as it was, you might not have those things. Just like technology, it's a privilege.

 

Because they are Rights we should help make sure people in other nations have them too

No. A person does not necessarily have to have education and Healthcare to survive. They are not rights. They are not necessary for a person to live a normal life.

"A privilege—etymologically "private law" or law relating to a specific individual—is a special entitlement or immunity granted by a government or other authority to a restricted group, either by birth or on a conditional basis."

 

Why on earth would you put down the definition of a privilege when we are talking about rights?

I think you'll find that free speech, freedom of movement habeas corpus and most of the other rights that we enjoy are also not necessary for people to live a normal life and they are also only available to only those priviledged enough to be born in a free country.

 



highwaystar101 said:

I'm a bit sick of feeling like I'm always in the wrong for my political views. Well, I just want to say I am proud to be liberal.

I am an atheist, I am pro-choice, I think pre-marital sex is acceptable, I think war should be used only in extreme circumstances, I support gay marriage, I think all people from all races, creeds and backgrounds deserve equal rights, I support better gun control, I enjoy the occasional drink, I read the guardian, I like Obama, I think prostitution would benefit for being legalised, the same for some of the less harmful drugs, I support the freedom of speech, I like renewable energy and I think it should be supported, I also trick people into clicking sick links containing sick pictures that make them puke ... and I'm proud.

Just because I support these things doesn't mean I don't have any morals, or I don't have good intentions. I'm a generally nice guy, people always enjoy being around me and I am an extremely hard working student (some may say a nerd).

Just because some of my views are a little liberal/controversial doesn't mean I'm a backwards thinking person. I know sometimes I get a bit angry and heated, but usually something has to really annoy me first to set me off. I am sorry for when that happens.

 

@ red : yes u do that



Being for equal rights doesn't define you as a liberal, unless you consider Abraham Lincoln, who was a Republican, to be a liberal. The same goes for taking care of the poor, etc., a role often assumed by religious organizations, even the very conservative ones.

Try not to confuse having a conscience with being liberal. In my mind, being a little liberal or a little conservative is a good thing, but being an extreme of either is a bad thing. Extreme liberals tend to have good motives but impractical/wishful approaches to problem solving, while extreme conservatives tend to be afraid of change and or callous to the needs of others.



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So Scifiboy, under your beliefs it'd be ok, and encouraged even, for a poor person to rob the home of a rich man?



Broncos724 said:
So Scifiboy, under your beliefs it'd be ok, and encouraged even, for a poor person to rob the home of a rich man?

 

no, under my system they wouldnt need to do that

at no point have nor would i ever say that robbery is ok, i think robbery is a crime



SciFiBoy said:
Broncos724 said:
So Scifiboy, under your beliefs it'd be ok, and encouraged even, for a poor person to rob the home of a rich man?

 

no, under my system they wouldnt need to do that

at no point have nor would i ever say that robbery is ok, i think robbery is a crime

 

Doesn't it amount to the same thing though if a rich person is forced by a third party (gov't) to give some of his wealth to a poor person?  The only difference is that the poor person isn't doing the stealing.



Broncos724 said:

 

Doesn't it amount to the same thing though if a rich person is forced by a third party (gov't) to give some of his wealth to a poor person?  The only difference is that the poor person isn't doing the stealing.

taxation is not stealing



SciFiBoy said:
Strategyking92 said:

No. A person does not necessarily have to have education and Healthcare to survive. They are not rights. They are not necessary for a person to live a normal life.

 

 

 

what a load of shite, so a normal life is one of illness and ignorance? people like you make me sick

 

Why would you think someone without government education would be ignorant, or someone without government health assistance would be ill?

One of my mothers old bosses grew up in the country, and was dirt poor. One day he had enough money to go see a football game. He walked the 15 miles to the the stadium, and when he got there, was amazed at how rich people lived. This was in the 1940's before everyone had TV.

So, he realized he wanted money. He went to the library, and read every book he could find about law. When he was done, he took the Bar and passed. When my mother worked for him, he was one of the most successful lawyers in Dallas, and he never stepped onto a classroom in his life. Everything he learned, he learned from is mother, or on his own.

Stop looking at government to solve all your problems. Solve them yourself.