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299$ PS3 wouldnt change anything in PS3 position, yes the sales would go up for a while but the question is Would Sony be able to sustain them? With 360 having similar library of games and still being significantly cheaper, and the Wii continuing to gain momentum PS3 still would be in a third place.

People forget that 99 dollar Gamecube did not suddenly start outselling the PS2...



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Lolcislaw said:
299$ PS3 wouldnt change anything in PS3 position, yes the sales would go up for a while but the question is Would Sony be able to sustain them? With 360 having similar library of games and still being significantly cheaper, and the Wii continuing to gain momentum PS3 still would be in a third place.

People forget that 99 dollar Gamecube did not suddenly start outselling the PS2...

GameCube and PS2 were never as close as PS3 and 360.

A price cut would put PS3 above 360 for good (at least until the next 360 price cut). The Wii, however, is unreachable.



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Kantor said:
Lolcislaw said:
299$ PS3 wouldnt change anything in PS3 position, yes the sales would go up for a while but the question is Would Sony be able to sustain them? With 360 having similar library of games and still being significantly cheaper, and the Wii continuing to gain momentum PS3 still would be in a third place.

People forget that 99 dollar Gamecube did not suddenly start outselling the PS2...

GameCube and PS2 were never as close as PS3 and 360.

A price cut would put PS3 above 360 for good (at least until the next 360 price cut). The Wii, however, is unreachable.

 

That is a bold statement, especially when Arcade would still be 199$ cheaper, and MS surealy would counter potential PS3 price cut with slashing the price of the Pro model. I really doubt PS3 can outsell 360 in a long run. 360 will still be much cheaper

 

I used GC example because a price cut at certain point in a generation will have less impact then an earlier one, PS3 is not a s popular as Wii or 360 and price cut to 299 wont make it more popular.



Lolcislaw said:
299$ PS3 wouldnt change anything in PS3 position, yes the sales would go up for a while but the question is Would Sony be able to sustain them? With 360 having similar library of games and still being significantly cheaper, and the Wii continuing to gain momentum PS3 still would be in a third place.

People forget that 99 dollar Gamecube did not suddenly start outselling the PS2...

 

OMG I can't think of what would happen if the 360 was 150 € !!!



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

Any price cut by Sony could be matched by both competitors. Nintendo has plenty of profitability to trim a bit if their staggering sales [outside Japan] ever slow down. Microsoft, by all accounts, is most likely profitable, breaking even at worst on the 360. They have both the cash reserves, and the stomach, to counter any price cut.


Sony is very badly positioned for a price war and they know it. What Sony fans need to worry about right now is MS turning the knife and dropping their price before Sony, forcing them to either lose more market share, or start taking big hardware loses again.



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PS3 doesnt cater to the casual market, so they wont be able to overtake Wii sales. That said, a PS3 around 250-300 would do phenomenally with the HDTV owners, if not only for a cheap Blu Ray player.

The issue at the forefront of the matter is the developers that have distanced themselves from PS3 development. Even if the PS3 became the behemoth seller, it would still take those devs to commit to developing for the PS3, which would take 2-3 years. In other words, the developer shift wouldn't hold impact until 2012, which is an agreeable timeframe for the next gen systems to come around.



D-FENS said:
Any price cut by Sony could be matched by both competitors. Nintendo has plenty of profitability to trim a bit if their staggering sales [outside Japan] ever slow down. Microsoft, by all accounts, is most likely profitable, breaking even at worst on the 360. They have both the cash reserves, and the stomach, to counter any price cut.


Sony is very badly positioned for a price war and they know it. What Sony fans need to worry about right now is MS turning the knife and dropping their price before Sony, forcing them to either lose more market share, or start taking big hardware loses again.

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft dropped the price again just before Christmas. It would mean the 360 would have halved its price after 4 years in the market, which doesn't seem too extreme (especially considering people are calling on Sony to halve their price much earlier).

 



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bardicverse said:
PS3 doesnt cater to the casual market, so they wont be able to overtake Wii sales. That said, a PS3 around 250-300 would do phenomenally with the HDTV owners, if not only for a cheap Blu Ray player.

The issue at the forefront of the matter is the developers that have distanced themselves from PS3 development. Even if the PS3 became the behemoth seller, it would still take those devs to commit to developing for the PS3, which would take 2-3 years. In other words, the developer shift wouldn't hold impact until 2012, which is an agreeable timeframe for the next gen systems to come around.

 

 And what will a next gen Wii look like? A PS3 with a wagglemote at best.

The PS3 drop will simply have the PS3 outselling the 360 by30 to 100k weekly on average. Wii sales will remain the same.



Lolcislaw said:
Kantor said:
Lolcislaw said:
299$ PS3 wouldnt change anything in PS3 position, yes the sales would go up for a while but the question is Would Sony be able to sustain them? With 360 having similar library of games and still being significantly cheaper, and the Wii continuing to gain momentum PS3 still would be in a third place.

People forget that 99 dollar Gamecube did not suddenly start outselling the PS2...

GameCube and PS2 were never as close as PS3 and 360.

A price cut would put PS3 above 360 for good (at least until the next 360 price cut). The Wii, however, is unreachable.

 

That is a bold statement, especially when Arcade would still be 199$ cheaper, and MS surealy would counter potential PS3 price cut with slashing the price of the Pro model. I really doubt PS3 can outsell 360 in a long run. 360 will still be much cheaper

 

I used GC example because a price cut at certain point in a generation will have less impact then an earlier one, PS3 is not a s popular as Wii or 360 and price cut to 299 wont make it more popular.

No, it would be $99 cheaper.

However, that's not what matters. What matters is momentum. $200 is "mass market price". Going from $400 to $300 is getting closer to mass market price. Just like a $400 PS3 outsold a $300 360, a $300 PS3 will outsell a $200 360.

Don't flatter the 360 by calling it the PS2. It'll be lucky to get half of the PS2's lifetime sales. The 360's 900k week last holiday would be considered embarassingly low for the PS2.



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Megadude said:
bardicverse said:
PS3 doesnt cater to the casual market, so they wont be able to overtake Wii sales. That said, a PS3 around 250-300 would do phenomenally with the HDTV owners, if not only for a cheap Blu Ray player.

The issue at the forefront of the matter is the developers that have distanced themselves from PS3 development. Even if the PS3 became the behemoth seller, it would still take those devs to commit to developing for the PS3, which would take 2-3 years. In other words, the developer shift wouldn't hold impact until 2012, which is an agreeable timeframe for the next gen systems to come around.

 

 And what will a next gen Wii look like? A PS3 with a wagglemote at best.

The PS3 drop will simply have the PS3 outselling the 360 by30 to 100k weekly on average. Wii sales will remain the same.

Next gen Wii will look like the PS4 and the XB720. They're all implementing "wagglemotes". Kiss your traditional controllers goodbye and sell them to the Smithsonian. Next gen, they will become relics. All 3 consoles will be multicore systems with a strong gpu for HD 1020+ graphics, and possibly even adding in the PPU (Physics Processing Unit aka physx -ageia), wireless N networking, possibly ditching an ethernet port, and each one will have some sort of large scale (100GB +) storage solution.

Of course, the price drop is all speculation. Sony really cant afford to take a bigger hit to their gaming division. It really depends what their goal is - to lick it wounds and stop bleeding cash, or to be the most popular, at the expense of crashing their gaming division into the ground financially.