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GTAIV08 on 10 March 2009
Dark Chaos said:
GTAIV08 said:
whats with all the "how is this a surprise" posts? who the hell ever said it was? too many fanboys these days. cant everyone just talk about the sales instead of getting all hurt because of the thread title saying "blew out 360 version".

 

So its ok when 95% of other multiplats release and the 360 sells more. Ppl should make redundant threads like these???

 

nothings wrong with the thread, its just giving us the sales for resident evil 5 but everyone seems to be getting but hurt because of the title.



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NNN2004 on 10 March 2009

expected



mrstickball on 10 March 2009
Jaaau! said:
mrstickball said:

Jaaau! said:

Nice find, but if I understand correctly you post this to prove the ratio for RE5 sales PS3vs360 in Japan is "normal" or "expected"?

Yes, it's pretty much normal, or slightly in favor of the typical PS3/X360 ratio (which is around a 6.6/1 ratio). There are 3-4 ways you can look at the debuts of varous games. Some have done better (GTAIV), some have done much worse (Dynasty Warriors 6).

So a 2:1 ratio would have been "normal", and a 8:1 ratio would have been "normal" as well.  Good.  

Curious how some people here take software sales personally.  It's like some don't even want to see things and just quickly move on.  Considering installed base, the ratio for RE5 is high in favour of PS3.  That would be something nice to discuss on this site, instead some refuse to discuss it because somehow it hurts. 

Not quite. If you bothered looking at the chart I provided, no game over 200,000 units sold on the PS3 wound up with anything less than a 5.6:1 ratio (GTAIV), and most were at 10:1 or above. In this case, RE5 has out-sold every other by large margins on both the PS3 and X360. So you could take it from the 'wow! The PS3 has a higher attach ratio than the 360!' or 'Wow! The X360 hung in there despite the trends against it'!

Pick your position, because there are 2 sides to the argument. The PS3 having a better tier ratio on massive multiplat games is not unusual, as the PS3 sells games better at a rate of 6:1, which is twice as high as the 3:1 ratio of hardware sales, thus telling us that 'on average, the attach rate on the PS3 is 2x as high'. Of course, in this case, the attach ratio IS higher on the PS3, but not as high as average.

 



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lombard2578 on 11 March 2009
mrstickball said:

DOATS1 said:
madskillz said:

This. No big deal. Considering the install base, those 360 numbers are actually impressive. 
outlawauron said:
11ht11 said:
wasn't this expected?

Yes, but I didn't expect the margin to be that high.

PS3 userbase is less than 3:1 over the 360.

The margin here is 5:1 in favor of PS3. That's pretty good.

I think you forget that Japan is a little bit different than the rest of the world. Since both consoles have horrendous sellthrough vs. the Wii, there's a much higher likelihood that gamers own both a X360 and a PS3 vs. the West (where it's less than 10%). Having said this, most multiplat games are heavily skewed toward the PS3. One must also remember that ported games from the X360>PS3 and vice versa have horrible sales as well, which would indicate that if there's exclusivity on any one game, gamers typically pick it up for console #1.

A few examples on sellthrough ratios (from Famitsu):

Title: PS3 X360 Ratio Notes

Dynasty Warriors 6 356,266 48,796 7.3


PES 2009 342,433 17,738 19.31


Dynasty Warriors Gundam 312,674 18,118 17.26 Released on PS3 first, 10 months ahead
Devil May Cry 4 310,012 55,259 5.61


PES 2008 275,069 17,530 15.69


Gundam Mousou 2 264,451 34,988 7.56


GTA IV 195,779 59,893 3.27


DBZ: Burst Limit 163,010 25,051 6.51


Samurai Warriors 3 125,791 10,000 12.58 Released on PS3 first, 5 months ahead
Soul Calibur 4 120,213 53,403 2.25


CoD4: Modern Warfare 113,957 54,742 2.08


Virtua Fighter 5 97,321 23,776 4.09 Released on PS3 first, 8 months ahead
AC: For Answer 87,683 40,391 2.17


Armored Core 4 84,849 21,096 4.02


Assassin's Creed 82,459 55,261 1.49 Released on X360 first, 2 months ahead
Eternal Sonata 49,132 70,435 0.7 Released on X360 first, 15 months ahead
TES Oblivion 49,114 72,274 0.68 Released on X360 first, 2 months ahead
Avg: 178,248 39,927 6.62


As you can see, many games are heavily skewed toward the PS3. Especially the higher up on the list. Titles that were major IPs for the PS2, and sold above 300,000 on the PS3 have been typically skewed heavily toward the PS3 more than middle-tier releases, such as a Call of Duty, or Grand Theft Auto. A 5:1 ratio in favor of the PS3 is within the realm of typical data, and is in fact, somewhat lower than normal, given how large the game is (since it's first week may be larger than any multi-plat LTD thus far in Japan).

I don't know where you have taken your number from famitsu, but they are not the most recent you can find. Here the most recent you can find:

http://www.geocities.jp/v7160c_l5/wiips3main.html

 



Kenology on 11 March 2009

The XBox360 version will return the favor in the US, so all things will even out.



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bbsin on 11 March 2009

^ oh, it'll probably do more than even out.



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mrstickball on 12 March 2009
lombard2578 said:
mrstickball said:

DOATS1 said:
madskillz said:

This. No big deal. Considering the install base, those 360 numbers are actually impressive. 
outlawauron said:
11ht11 said:
wasn't this expected?

Yes, but I didn't expect the margin to be that high.

PS3 userbase is less than 3:1 over the 360.

The margin here is 5:1 in favor of PS3. That's pretty good.

I think you forget that Japan is a little bit different than the rest of the world. Since both consoles have horrendous sellthrough vs. the Wii, there's a much higher likelihood that gamers own both a X360 and a PS3 vs. the West (where it's less than 10%). Having said this, most multiplat games are heavily skewed toward the PS3. One must also remember that ported games from the X360>PS3 and vice versa have horrible sales as well, which would indicate that if there's exclusivity on any one game, gamers typically pick it up for console #1.

A few examples on sellthrough ratios (from Famitsu):

Title: PS3 X360 Ratio Notes

Dynasty Warriors 6 356,266 48,796 7.3


PES 2009 342,433 17,738 19.31


Dynasty Warriors Gundam 312,674 18,118 17.26 Released on PS3 first, 10 months ahead
Devil May Cry 4 310,012 55,259 5.61


PES 2008 275,069 17,530 15.69


Gundam Mousou 2 264,451 34,988 7.56


GTA IV 195,779 59,893 3.27


DBZ: Burst Limit 163,010 25,051 6.51


Samurai Warriors 3 125,791 10,000 12.58 Released on PS3 first, 5 months ahead
Soul Calibur 4 120,213 53,403 2.25


CoD4: Modern Warfare 113,957 54,742 2.08


Virtua Fighter 5 97,321 23,776 4.09 Released on PS3 first, 8 months ahead
AC: For Answer 87,683 40,391 2.17


Armored Core 4 84,849 21,096 4.02


Assassin's Creed 82,459 55,261 1.49 Released on X360 first, 2 months ahead
Eternal Sonata 49,132 70,435 0.7 Released on X360 first, 15 months ahead
TES Oblivion 49,114 72,274 0.68 Released on X360 first, 2 months ahead
Avg: 178,248 39,927 6.62


As you can see, many games are heavily skewed toward the PS3. Especially the higher up on the list. Titles that were major IPs for the PS2, and sold above 300,000 on the PS3 have been typically skewed heavily toward the PS3 more than middle-tier releases, such as a Call of Duty, or Grand Theft Auto. A 5:1 ratio in favor of the PS3 is within the realm of typical data, and is in fact, somewhat lower than normal, given how large the game is (since it's first week may be larger than any multi-plat LTD thus far in Japan).

I don't know where you have taken your number from famitsu, but they are not the most recent you can find. Here the most recent you can find:

http://www.geocities.jp/v7160c_l5/wiips3main.html

 

Sorry. I don't speak Japanese. Give me a US site, please.



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Tyrannical on 12 March 2009

Oh well, at least 70K JP get the version with the superior graphics.

MS really should be pimping those Eurogamer graphic analysis. The cheaper 360 almost always gets the superior graphics. Why pay more for a PS3 just to get the lesser version?



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NanakiXI on 12 March 2009

looks like a case of DMC4 to me. PS3 win in Japan/Others while 360 wins US. Since the number of PS3s are larger then when DMC4 came out we might see closer numbers in America. Although I think the 360 has the potential to outdo PS3 on this on. Hope I'm wrong seeing I rather have even sales on both platforms.



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Tyrannical on 12 March 2009

DMC4 had genre competition on the 360 with Ninja Gaiden 2. That in part is why it sold better on the PS3, 360 owners were waiting for NG:2 instead.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
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