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Stromprophet on 08 March 2007

BenKenobi88 said: The "supposed" new 3rd party support is here...they've only just started making games. Nobody thought the Wii would do so well...so there aren't many good games right now. There will be...
Like I said, if that were the case such projects would be announced on the page at IGN. It would not matter that these would be released 1 or 2 years for now. As you can see they have titles listed into 2009. Where are they? I don't see them. When will these good games be coming? Maybe 2 years for development times. I think by then the shine will be off and a lot of developers will probably cancel those projects. Really, these years will grow the HD environment. HDTV IS the current sales standard now, HDTVs outsold Tubes in 2006 and with prices coming down they will increase that share. And Wii is not even part of the Hi-def change over. As I said before, after seeing COD3 ported down to the Wii and how horrible it looked (and how horrible it sold) most developers will not be interested in porting down their big projects so they can look terrible. Final Fantasy XIII versus, Resident Evil 5, GTAIV, GRAW2 (or any graphics intensive shooter), Elder Scrolls (or any massive RPG), Bioshock, Crysis, F.E.A.R., etc, etc, etc Nobody is going to port those games down to Wii. Which is why you don't find them anywhere on Wii release list.



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BenKenobi88 on 08 March 2007

Stromprophet said: As I said in the post before this, look at the release list yourself. *If* 3rd parties were now supporting it much more as you say that list would be much longer already and it is not. Also 8-10 months is a rather short development time, do you want crappy games or something? The only thing Wii has that contributes to next gen gaming is motion control. In every other way it is quite plain. If you look at some of the best games like Twilight Princess, it's easy to see how with a stronger CPU and better GPU the game could have been more complex, better graphically, and had much larger levels than it did.
3rd parties ARE supporting it, read the news articles. They started getting on the Wii train after launch though...so no, those games will NOT be coming out Q1/Q2. That doesn't mean there is not enough support though...games will start being announced, probably closer to E3, when developers have had enough time to get it together.



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Stromprophet on 08 March 2007

HappySqurriel said: You do realize that it takes longer than a couple of weeks to produce a videogame, right? You also realize that E3 is only a couple of months away and most third parties will hold off any major announcments until then, right? Essentially, since last E3 we've constanly heard that developers were increasing support for the Wii (usually at the expense of PS3 and XBox 360 development) so most of the initial increase in support should show up between Q3 of 2007 and Q2 of 2008 ...
No crap sherlock. Do you know how long MGS4 has been on the release list for PS3? For 2 years now. Just because the game is in development doesn't mean they don't announce it on the future release list. Really? Whoa, if that were true that Wii had increasing support since May 2006 over the other two systems you'd see a bunch more titles on that release list then that. There are games announced that aren't even coming out till 2009 on almost all the systems. Like I said, just because it takes a long time to develop a title doesn't mean it stays unannounced until the release date. The ICO team typically works on their games for 3 years but they announce them about 3 years before the release happens. All I see is inferior online, less 3rd party support, and less complicated games, essentially they are making a lot of party games, the one positive I see is a pretty unique controller setup. Now, the DS, I have far more respect for that handheld than I do for the Wii Wii.



HappySqurriel on 08 March 2007

HappySqurriel said: You do realize that it takes longer than a couple of weeks to produce a videogame, right? You also realize that E3 is only a couple of months away and most third parties will hold off any major announcments until then, right? Essentially, since last E3 we've constanly heard that developers were increasing support for the Wii (usually at the expense of PS3 and XBox 360 development) so most of the initial increase in support should show up between Q3 of 2007 and Q2 of 2008 ... Stromprophet said: No crap sherlock. Do you know how long MGS4 has been on the release list for PS3? For 2 years now. Just because the game is in development doesn't mean they don't announce it on the future release list. Really? Whoa, if that were true that Wii had increasing support since May 2006 over the other two systems you'd see a bunch more titles on that release list then that. There are games announced that aren't even coming out till 2009 on almost all the systems. Like I said, just because it takes a long time to develop a title doesn't mean it stays unannounced until the release date. The ICO team typically works on their games for 3 years but they announce them about 3 years before the release happens. All I see is inferior online, less 3rd party support, and less complicated games, essentially they are making a lot of party games, the one positive I see is a pretty unique controller setup. Now, the DS, I have far more respect for that handheld than I do for the Wii Wii.
Ok ... Name 10 major games that were officially announced for any Playstation system outside of E3, TGS or GDC?



Stromprophet on 08 March 2007

BenKenobi88 said: 3rd parties ARE supporting it, read the news articles. They started getting on the Wii train after launch though...so no, those games will NOT be coming out Q1/Q2. That doesn't mean there is not enough support though...games will start being announced, probably closer to E3, when developers have had enough time to get it together.
NO CRAP. Jeez, you don't listen. I've seen those news articles, yes they are garnering support. BUT, I don't think it's as much as you all believe. If it were they would be announcing more titles. Developers a lot of times announce games they have absolutely no work done for whatsoever. Other than they plan to work on the title. How long have we seen Halo 3 on the 360 release list? Or MGS4 for the PS3? They put those up on the release list before they really even started doing a single bit of development work for the games. *If* they do start announcing more games then like I said, likely you will see them being announced for 2008 or even 2009 depending on each developers development times. By then I believe the shine is gone and you see a lot of cancellations of games.



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r2007 on 08 March 2007

Stromprophet said: Final Fantasy XIII versus, Resident Evil 5, GTAIV, GRAW2 (or any graphics intensive shooter), Elder Scrolls (or any massive RPG), Bioshock, Crysis, F.E.A.R., etc, etc, etc Nobody is going to port those games down to Wii. Which is why you don't find them anywhere on Wii release list.
And 99% wii users don't want ports of that games. they want NEW games made specifically for the wii of the same kind... and they will show up. The Wii Game will always have something to offer other than "massive" or "graphics intensive". Look at Maxis approach on Sims. They make a specific game for the Wii, not a port. And i feel that is going to make it successful.



Stromprophet on 08 March 2007

HappySqurriel said: HappySqurriel said: You do realize that it takes longer than a couple of weeks to produce a videogame, right? You also realize that E3 is only a couple of months away and most third parties will hold off any major announcments until then, right? Essentially, since last E3 we've constanly heard that developers were increasing support for the Wii (usually at the expense of PS3 and XBox 360 development) so most of the initial increase in support should show up between Q3 of 2007 and Q2 of 2008 ... Stromprophet said: No crap sherlock. Do you know how long MGS4 has been on the release list for PS3? For 2 years now. Just because the game is in development doesn't mean they don't announce it on the future release list. Really? Whoa, if that were true that Wii had increasing support since May 2006 over the other two systems you'd see a bunch more titles on that release list then that. There are games announced that aren't even coming out till 2009 on almost all the systems. Like I said, just because it takes a long time to develop a title doesn't mean it stays unannounced until the release date. The ICO team typically works on their games for 3 years but they announce them about 3 years before the release happens. All I see is inferior online, less 3rd party support, and less complicated games, essentially they are making a lot of party games, the one positive I see is a pretty unique controller setup. Now, the DS, I have far more respect for that handheld than I do for the Wii Wii. Ok ... Name 10 major games that were officially announced for any Playstation system outside of E3, TGS or GDC?
Now you're including other dates...GDC just happened didn't it, and we sure didn't see many announcements from Nintendo on the Wii. Games get announced at odd times all the time. Especially once a system is launched. For instance, ICO team (which made ICO and Shadow of the Colussus) announced they would be making a game for the PS3 just recently, but not at GDC or E3. After a system launch this happens more frequently. For instance GoW2 is being planned for 360, Dead Rising 2, neither were announced at E3 or GDC.



HappySqurriel on 08 March 2007

Stromprophet said: NO CRAP. Jeez, you don't listen. I've seen those news articles, yes they are garnering support. BUT, I don't think it's as much as you all believe. If it were they would be announcing more titles. Developers a lot of times announce games they have absolutely no work done for whatsoever. Other than they plan to work on the title. How long have we seen Halo 3 on the 360 release list? Or MGS4 for the PS3? They put those up on the release list before they really even started doing a single bit of development work for the games. *If* they do start announcing more games then like I said, likely you will see them being announced for 2008 or even 2009 depending on each developers development times. By then I believe the shine is gone and you see a lot of cancellations of games.
If they are games which are not going to be released before E3 2007 every developer will hold out to announce them at E3 2007 ... That's how it works ... You (as a marketing drone) know that at E3 is your only opportunity in a year to announce a game to the dedicated gaming press and the general media at the same time ... You spend hundreds of thousands of dollars (or even millions) producing a booth and giving away swag in order to attract attention ... If you announce your game before E3 you get a 40 word summary "Game A looks like it is improving nicely" rather than a page long feature ...



HappySqurriel on 08 March 2007

Stromprophet said: Now you're including other dates...GDC just happened didn't it, and we sure didn't see many announcements from Nintendo on the Wii. Games get announced at odd times all the time. Especially once a system is launched. For instance, ICO team (which made ICO and Shadow of the Colussus) announced they would be making a game for the PS3 just recently, but not at GDC or E3. After a system launch this happens more frequently. For instance GoW2 is being planned for 360, Dead Rising 2, neither were announced at E3 or GDC.
GDC is a very minor event (for game releases) and I only included it because it would make your task of finding 10 major titles impossible ... So what is the name of the ICO teams project? If it doesn't have a name, it can't be counted as a game



Stromprophet on 08 March 2007

r2007 said: And 99% wii users don't want ports of that games. they want NEW games made specifically for the wii of the same kind... and they will show up. The Wii Game will always have something to offer other than "massive" or "graphics intensive". Look at Maxis approach on Sims. They make a specific game for the Wii, not a port. And i feel that is going to make it successful.
Uhuh. Why don't you see how many Wii users have another system and not just their Wii. A lot of families own Wiis, that is true. And parents play Wii with their kids, also true. I doubt 99% don't want ports of those games. People always want games that are the most popular, GTA, Halo, GT for instance are some of the best sellers of the current generations and always drive consumers to want them. And for instance the PS2 sold over 100 million consoles and some of those gamers now have a Wii, you don't think they are likely to want perhaps GTA? or GT? A lot of American PS2 owners also owned Xboxs, in which case they probably like FPS games, you don't think they might want to see those on the Wii? If you look at the top 50 from last month Wii only had 5 on that list. PS3 had 4 despite having way less consoles out. That tells me the Wii does not have high attach rates. You have to distinguish between what you see as only a graphics difference. Replay factor is very important to almost anybody playing video games. They don't want a game where the same things happen over and over and play out the same. That is precisely why larger environments are needed, deeper interactivty with AI, and more realistic physics. They provide those things.