@TheProf: Yes, i do know what you mean. Removing the part that is considered as a new market, removes also a part of the old market, twisting the numbers to favor the new market relevance.
What i was meaning is, that what WoW contributes in revenue, is away from the other market. Since the revenue isn't growing much, but the costs are, the other publishers than Activision-Blizzard needs to infiltrate the WoW market (or get the WoW players away from WoW with other kind of games).

Well Nintendo didn't close the market from people like you. It's just that you haven't been a part of Nintendos strategy yet. Then again, 3rd party support should be kept in mind, since they have been thinking Wii is somekind of a plague, while PS360 have largely relied on 3rd party offerings.

The HD platforms suffer the similar problems with Wii. When 3rd parties think that Wii games sell because of controls, they also think that PS360 games sell because of graphics. The ones who understand that it's not the graphics that sell the games, see the results on HD consoles and the ones that understand that it's not the controls that sell, see the results on Wii.

TP was a GC port, Brawl had some issues, but is more deeper game gameplaywise (though, Melee was more enjoyable to play, IMO). Well, i'm not sure what you're after, but since it appears to be highly a opinion related point, i guess it's not that important in the discussion were having.
As for the lack of releases, it's largely for the 3rd parties to blame, especially when we compare it between Wii and PS360/PC.

The last few Dragon Quest games have sold more than the last few FF games.  I'm sure DQX for the Wii will at least match FF XIII in boosting the respected console sales.

For Japan, total sales:

FF XII    2.42 mil                     DQ VIII    3.62 mil

FF X-2   2.41 mil                     DQ VII     4.12 mil

FF X      3.02 mil                      DQ VI      3.19 mil

@theprof00: It's true, Nintendo is sort of doing their own thing right now. Here's the situation:

• Third parties decide not to support the Wii? Less competition for Nintendo = more first party games bought.
• New games cannot possibly sell any more systems. The Wii is still supply constrained, 26 months after release...
• You said yourself, you're a future Wii supporter. I think most core gamers are - Nintendo isn't in a hurry. They'll eventually get around to everyone.

I can see why one would be pissed off at Nintendo for this, but I don't really mind. I have a gigantic backlog of games as it is, not to mention I have a PS3/360/DS to hold off if there are any gaps. Hell, since WoW covered me for so long (04' - early 08'), I just bought 3/4 of these consoles 2008.

I bought a Nintendo console only expecting Nintendo games, so as long as I get ~6 good games a year, I'm set. So far, the system has delivered more than enough for me. It's also undoubtly the main console for local multiplayer, as the HD consoles are much more focused on single player / online play.

@BTFeather55: The deal is done. Race is over. For anyone who was skeptical of it, well: DQX sealed the deal. MH3 is a bonus.

     I just don't know about that.  I've seen many unexpected things happen in life.  Hey, the other night one of UK's players scored 54 points on the opponent's home court.  And UK beat their opponent on their opponent's homecourt by 18 points even though their opponent was picked to win the SEC.  The fact that people say the Wii is going to win because they have the lead right now even by a significant amount doesn't take into account the fact that this gen isn't over until 2012 or sometime.  If Nintendo can sell 50 million consoles in their first two years there is no reason to think Sony can't sell as many or more in the last two years, and Sony has a stellar line up for this year and the next and probably the one behind that while all I've heard for the Wii is some B grade survival horror games, some B grade action games, some B grade rpgs, and some GC remakes for 2009; and Mario, Zelda, Monster Hunter (which so far hasn't caught on in the West), and DQ (another one which never really caught on in the West), coming out at some point in 2010.

They really aren't, and htey didn't try to play the competing game, and THAT'S why they won...they competed against INDIFFERENCE TO GAMING...

Last time I checked, Wii Sports sold 3.4 millions copies in Japan which is equal to the top 8 PS3 games combined.

That's true. Both LBP and R2 had top 5 showing first week but Wii Music has sold more copies at this point without being one of the top five best selling games in any week. So I guess it doesn't really matter that much.

I'm not sure why the review score would be related to the sales. Call of Duty: World at War has a low 80 score on gamerankings but it's outselling LBP easily which has mid 90% score.

Sadly the chinks in the Wii's armor (ex. Animal Crossoing and Wii Music) would sell better than most of the strength PS3 has.

As for PS3 vs Wii in 2009 would be like PSP vs DS in 2008 in Japan, we'll have to wait and see. However, KH will not make any impact for who the winner will be this gen in Japan. DQX already decided that.

@ c0rd and bdbdbd

I'm glad you both understand where I'm coming from. At no length do I go beyond saying that this argument is limited because it is based on the preferences of a minority. I'm glad we can both understand each other to some degree. I've noticed you guys before and thought were intelligent. Glad to see it first hand .

c0rd it is easier to have another console or at least another big game to tide you over. I guess that's why the wii often gets paired on this site. One big problem for me is that I just picked up WoW again, and I have about 4 ps3 games that I haven't quite finished yet. (I'm still working on a 4hr no kill, no alert, no death,no save run on hard in MGS4 I've managed to do it with 3-5 saves so far) Sometimes, I guess the problem for me is that there isn't really a wii game that has made me want to drop the ps3 controller.

@bdbdbd yeah i will agree that 3rd parties make a difference. But I feel like to some degree the platformed should be blamed in part for the lack of development. Both Sony and MS have devs that work with 3rd parties to program and such. Nintendo doesn't do that. So while I will be included in the future, I think I have plenty of time to rant about it til then.
I'm not sure what will get me into nintendo's scope though. Definitely, just some normal controller action would interest me. My gf's sister has a huge catalog of games as well so I wouldn't really need to buy any, so that's a plus.
I guess I'll wait and see. For now I'll just play her wii.
I will wait and see.

(I was really close to getting a Wii this xmas, because of Oneechanbara, the upcoming punch out, TP, and NMH2, and MH3. But I will hold off for now.)

Honestly, besides the gameplay, I think I'm also a little addicted to trophies. If Wii got them it would make the decision to buy really really difficult.

Geez BTFeather, cut it out! Your claims and twisted "facts" (lmao) are getting pathetic.

@TheProf: Nintendo has a different approach to 3rd parties. Instead of moneyhatting them for timed exclusives, they hire 3rd parties to make games for them. Factor 5 apparently was working on the type of project, we all know Hudson from Mario Parties and Nintendo also have been lending its characters, for example to Mario and Sonic (the cost apparently was to publish it in Japan). Also, when making the game for Nintendo, you have atleast Miyamoto to work with.
So they all have their own ways to do the same thing.

I doubt Wii will have a trophy system, although Mario Kart had something in lines with it, which could indicate Nintendo could release somekind of skill system. Maybe in form of its own channel or relating to the friends list.

Nintendo are fools of course Microsoft ans Sony are their rivals they are taking some of their customers away.