I have only played one Ultima game, it was the one in the SNES about the murders/kidnaps (using an emulator too), and it was very funny to carry clothes and wood around haha I can't stand Ultima-style graphics, seems like I have to turn my head to play it correctly

Isometric view, you mean?

yeah, that twisted isometric view sucked IMO. but yeah, not exactly the sprites or the graphic style, which is OK for me

Some... You could 'talk' in PC version just by typing stuff. You could talk about npcs jobs,  etc. :)

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@Deneidez: Well, thankfully, I did play VI on PC. But QotA and Exodus were much the same, I take it?

Beh Lem FTW!

Actually they weren't. I think since aklabeth(first ultima) everything you wanted to say, you could just write in ultima. Nes versions also had more like rpg maker graphics than western graphics and they did came much later than PC versions. Exodus for example was made in 1983 for PC and nes version came out 1987.

IV looks like this on PC,

Neato.

There's something about telling me to ignore all the latest WRPG stuff from the last few years, as well to look at the much older games (from now defunct companies) that strikes me as odd.

Maybe it's all that stuff about WRPG's 'evolving for the better' as everyone is talking about? I'm supposed to disregard the 'evloved' WRPG's and look towards older models as "definitive"?

Perhaps your qualm with what I said might be reasonable had we this discussion 5-7 years ago.

And for the record:

Rumble Roses is a Wrestler. And yes, Wrestlers are shitty lukewarm (don't want to "offend" people) no matter where you look.

Meh that reminds me of Golden Sun for GBA.

But they're are COMPLETELY useless there.

I think to a large degree, WRPGs are supplanting JRPGs. But that makes sense, I'll use my gaming tastes as an example:

I have always liked games where my choices/actions matter.

For PC gamers, if you can recall, think back to Wing Commander 1. Way back in 1991 the outcome of the game was basically up to the player. Not to much their choices, but their skill. If you failed a bunch of missions, the Terran Confederation would lose systems and you'd get pushed all the way back into human space. Do well on missions and you'd forge ahead into Kilrathi space - with more than one available ending. Games like this make the user feel like their contributions matter. You don't just repeat the same areas until you "get it right."

Flash forward to now, western gamers generally don't like RPG that are effectively just "role WATCHING games." Queue up a set of skills, finish a fight, and watch more cutscenes. Take a game like Mass Effect though, and even though it's a shooter, you very much feel involved in the story. And even though the outcome is pretty much determined, it's totally up to you how you get there. You don't feel like your choices are arbitrary.

And I see people that complain that in shooter/RPGs that player skills matter more than character skills. Isn't that always the case? Unless you can select any set of skills and win, knowing what skills to use/level up, what gear to equip etc, IS a player skill, just a different one than aiming and shooting. If a game requires no player skill, then it's just a movie with lots of pauses.