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Maybe depends on what happens.



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difficult to say for sure, but so far It dosn't look like it will be anytime soon. Seems like lately the X360 has replaced the Wii as the go to holiday console to buy. From the way it looks the 360 will have another good year next year. If the PS3 is to overtake the 360 I personally highly doubt it would be next year, but time will tell.




Squilliam said:
greenmedic88 said:
Squilliam said:

The PS3 will never pass the Xbox 360 because Microsoft has the twin powers of epeen and money. If it were a case where both were equally profitable with equally profitable parent companies then you'd make a strong case that Sony has more epeen to push sales ahead of the 360. However Microsoft put their extensive epeen on the line by stating all the way back in 2008 that the Xbox 360 was going to remain in 2nd. If the PS3 looked like it was going to pass the 360 they would cut the price because they would enter into epeen protection mode and they'd be willing to sacrafice money to do it.

My prediction: Kinect came out 2010, Xbox 360 S came out in 2010 also so to counteract the launch of the Wii U they'll also launch a revamped Xbox 360 sometime next year. There has been plenty of time to put something together to this effect.

There's no reason for MS to "counteract" Nintendo's Wii U. The only reason why they'd bother with another complete hardware redesign would be in the interest of packaging, more specifically, cheaper packaging, ie. smaller size, smaller die process for GPU/CPU, smaller PSU, etc. etc.

I don't think anyone would be fooled by marketing tactics that they were buying a new console from MS even though it would probably please current Xbox owners who wanted a second or third Xbox 360. 

By the time the Wii U releases, MS will already have a huge price advantage which would only be offset if Nintendo launches with The Best Debut Line Up Ever, which we all know never happens in reality for any new console. What you'll have is a $200-250 Xbox 360 (including either HDD or Kinect sensor) with a 7 year back catalog of games with new games still in development, versus a $300-400 Wii U that will be getting the obligatory Nintendo developed titles along with the same third party titles that will be showing up on the Xbox 360 and PS3.

Well 2012 is a pretty decent year for further revisions to the design:

Kinect needs to be revised to be simpler and cheaper to manufacture as well as to be able to cope better with smaller room sizes.

Xbox 360 needs to be revised to be cheaper to manufacture and it'd be interesting to see if they want to implement an ARM chip in the design in order to support the tablet version of Windows 8. Something like an internal PSU would be the best way to simplify the design.

They haven't actually cut the price in a while, however it makes sense and they made the best decision to keep the price high during their best sales season. It really is an open question as to whether they'll cut the price to boost sales in the slow seasons.

MS has had a good year with the 360 following the redesign and Kinect intro, but both contributed. And as much as I don't agree with the current payoffs of Kinect in terms of game applications, I'm inclined to say that Kinect more than the redesign is what drew new customers to the Xbox brand.

But yes, the Kinect sensor is ungainly and could reasonably be repackaged into something less obtrusive. A wider angle lens would partially address the space issue, although the reality is playes still need X amount of space in which to reasonably move about, regardless of lens. 

As for the console itself, I won't bother to look up the iSuppli estimates, but I'm thinking the base 4GB model probably has a BOM as low as $100, certainly no higher than $150. At this point, there isn't a whole lot more shaving to be done. An internal PSU would actually make the device larger. As much as I don't like them, they may actually be cheaper to produce (PS2 added these after the slim redesigns).

My guess would be that the base model will never drop below $99 barring end product line inventory clearing, regardless of how simplified the manufacturing process is made.  

If there's any price reducing to be had, it will likely be in bundles (all models include Kinect or all models include HDD). $199 Xbox 360 w/ 320GB HDD or $199 w/ Kinect, which was not coincidentally what a bunch of people paid for their Black Friday bundles (at a loss to retailers). 



greenmedic88 said:
Squilliam said:

Well 2012 is a pretty decent year for further revisions to the design:

Kinect needs to be revised to be simpler and cheaper to manufacture as well as to be able to cope better with smaller room sizes.

Xbox 360 needs to be revised to be cheaper to manufacture and it'd be interesting to see if they want to implement an ARM chip in the design in order to support the tablet version of Windows 8. Something like an internal PSU would be the best way to simplify the design.

They haven't actually cut the price in a while, however it makes sense and they made the best decision to keep the price high during their best sales season. It really is an open question as to whether they'll cut the price to boost sales in the slow seasons.

MS has had a good year with the 360 following the redesign and Kinect intro, but both contributed. And as much as I don't agree with the current payoffs of Kinect in terms of game applications, I'm inclined to say that Kinect more than the redesign is what drew new customers to the Xbox brand.

But yes, the Kinect sensor is ungainly and could reasonably be repackaged into something less obtrusive. A wider angle lens would partially address the space issue, although the reality is playes still need X amount of space in which to reasonably move about, regardless of lens. 

As for the console itself, I won't bother to look up the iSuppli estimates, but I'm thinking the base 4GB model probably has a BOM as low as $100, certainly no higher than $150. At this point, there isn't a whole lot more shaving to be done. An internal PSU would actually make the device larger. As much as I don't like them, they may actually be cheaper to produce (PS2 added these after the slim redesigns).

My guess would be that the base model will never drop below $99 barring end product line inventory clearing, regardless of how simplified the manufacturing process is made.  

If there's any price reducing to be had, it will likely be in bundles (all models include Kinect or all models include HDD). $199 Xbox 360 w/ 320GB HDD or $199 w/ Kinect, which was not coincidentally what a bunch of people paid for their Black Friday bundles (at a loss to retailers). 

A good revision would be to give the Kinect sensor a physical user adjustable lens like the PS-Eye, even two settings would take away 70% of the user problems faced in terms of space as often people have the room but lack distance between the couch and TV. They could sort the cost issue out by simplifying the internal board layout and making it lighter, that ought to give them a good level of materials cost savings.

The reason why I favour an internal PSU is that they can revise the console to have a smaller footprint and lower their material and shipping costs without actually changing the external physical design. Personally I can't say how much they make on a console but with little information the best guess is that any changes to what amounts to a successful design will follow the K.I.S.S. principle especially as they would also be working on their next generation console. Effectively they probably won't change the outside design until they EOL the console, whilst internally further modification beyond the next chip shrink is probably unlikely due to diminishing returns and other priorities.



Tease.

as i have for the past few years, i cast necro on this thread once again to share the joy of old predictions and where we stand today . this has been a truly interesting generation to watch, and it seems it is finally winding down. the cornucopia of games provided to us this generation is staggering, i feel like im running 12 months behind on playing all the games i want to get through. but more to the point where do we stand on the race, it is starting to look more and more like the fabled passing prophesy may happen, it will be interesting to see what tricks ms and sony have up their sleeve in the next year.



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i have been periodically casting necro (normally at christmas) on this thread over the years waiting to see if it every happened
and the day is here, we can glance back at the past and see how thoughts on the subject moved through the years, and enjoy.
I hope to hear from sony for an official conformation of the move to #2

on/off topic it will be neat to see of both can get over 100 mil, seeing 3 consoles from one gen do that would be amazing



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Glad I only gave X360 a 65% chance of remaining #2.



Only time will tell..

 

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anthony64641 said:
Only time will tell..

I'm pretty sure it's already happened. 



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sales2099 said:
Offcourse it will.

The question is: Will it be when the next gen happens or during the final stretch of this one?

But personally, its loose loose. If PS3 does it before the next Xbox and PS4, its a celebration of gen over gen failure, where as 360 did nothing but surpass Xbox 1 performance on every level.

To do it when the next gen is upon us signifies that PS3 was too weak to do it when the rivalry was relevant/in the spotlight.

AMG this post was made in 2011, you know the future!!!