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NightstrikerX said:
To turn this thread into a positive, lets look at logical idea's to turn the playstation 3 around, without having to spend a ton of money, or drop the price. Lets not aim for number 1, but instead lets aim to take the xbox 360 down a notch.

1 - Playstation Home - Like second life, this has potential to become huge. Very huge, its already here, it just needs tweaking according to many people's opinions. Sell virtual space to companies who wish to expand their business to the virtual world, much like second life.

Another idea for PlayStation home is allow for a virtual marketplace, allowing people to trade levels in LittleBigPlanet, game records, show off trophies, compete in tournaments. Do MUCH more than a little virtual dance club.

What I love about PlayStation home is that it's already here, and its in its very base form. I can see it being upgraded cheaply and being able to pull in VAST amounts of numbers, epically if it is marketed towards corporations who wish to expand their presence throughout virtual-space.

2 - Sackboy, Sackboy is Sony's new mascot right? Its been established. Alot of people find him adorable, alot of people find him creepy. It doesn't matter what your opinion of him is, Sackboy represents the Playstation 3. Thus, Sackboy should make many, many appearances in other Sony Games. If not to boost the sales of LittleBigPlanet, but to allow the establishment of new titles without the risk of sales being below 1million.

3 - Bundle, Sony should bundle something with the 399.99 80gig model. It doesn't need to be fancy, or expensive. Xbox 360 pro comes bundled with Kung-Fu Panda where I'm at. Kung-Fu Freaking...Panda. Does this change the value of the 299.99 Xbox console? Yes, I've still seen Xbox 360 pro's sold at 299.99 without the bundled in game. While the price remains the same, the value does not.

People enjoy value with their purchase. They like seeing a little extra for their money, thus if the 399.99 playStation 3 came with something from 07'... say, resistance 1. It'll not only boost sales to Resistance 2, but it'll boost playstation 3's sales without much cost towards Sony.

I've never taken a economic class in my life, all I know is what I understand from you guys and what reading these forums taught me over the years. So I hope these ideas have merit, if not. Let me know, I'm open to criticism.

Those are not bad ideas, IMO. Home could have potential for something much bigger, it just needs to allow two things: user created content and user-to-user microtransactions. I don't have a PS3 nor have I read up on Home, so I don't know if either of those two are possible, and if so to what extent. But regarding Second Life, the "killer feature" is your ability to make something and then sell it to other users. Very few things motivate people more than the possibility to earn money from what you like doing anyway. Once you get a few success stories of people making a level/clothes for avatars/whatever and earning a few thousand dollars from it, the floodgates will open. Since the PS3 is connceted to your TV, Home could become a new medium for all kinds of new content, and it might cross the boundary from "geeky computer stuff" to "everybody can enjoy it", something that even Second Life hasn't really managed to do.

Regarding your two other points, it would be cool to have your Sackboy as a playable character in Tekken and the likes, and I'm pretty sure it would benefit Sony greatly if they indeed did all they can to push Sackboy into as many games as possible. I don't mean it has to be a playable character, but just make an appearance in one form or another.

And about the bundles, IMO it would be a very smart move to bundle the first game in a series and thus get more people to buy the following parts. They could perhaps do it at cost so as to not actually lose any money. Which makes me wonder, how much would a PS3 bundled with, say, Motorstorm and Resistance 1 cost if Sony set the price at break even for them?



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lol "not to god awfully expensive things " what reducing ps3 plus a game etc to 299? i do believe that would equate to a hugely expensive thing to do



kingofwale said:
this has to be the dumbest post I've seen in a long time.

 

I second this :P



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Crazymann said:
EvilChronos said:

This is the easiest way for sony to win. 3 simple things that could win it all for them. They know it, we know it, microsoft and nintendo know it but for some reason it STILL has not happened. Heres hoping for next year...

1. Complete software driven backwards compatibility for all ps2 and ps1 games. "that means downloading patches and updates that let u play ps2 and ps1 games for those who dont know".

2. A ps3 80 gig model bundled together in 1 box with Little big planet, dual shock controller, hdmi cable. All for the reasonable price of 299.99.

3. Stop production of the ps2. "the ps3's biggest competitor/enemy is its own brother"

Those 3 very simple and not to god awfully expensive things would certainly catapult sony into 1st place within a year of these things being done/released. So the question is why doesnt sony just bite the bullet on this one and do it. They would certainly make up the money in the end plus some. They were so scared with the money they were loosing with the ps2 "for atleast the first 4 years" for the price they sold it at but they made it back in the end plus way, way more.

Sony plz figure it out before it is too late and u start loosing developers cause its just not worth it to publish on your system.

 

1.  Yep, software emulation when the PS2 has higher memory bandwidth than PS3.  That will happen.  And it won't be expensive to research at all.

2.  Yep, Sony can afford to lose billions more on the PS3... lets do it.

3.  Yep, snuff out one of the only bright spots - revenue wise for the gaming division.  You know, because people who are just now getting around to buying a PS2 for 129 totally have the resources and inclination to by a system that (even at your price) is over twice as much with 1/100th the library.

Yep, Sony (a multi-billion dollar corporation) has never considered this strategy, but one lone champion on the internet has it... if only Sony weren't so shortsighted.

Yep, none of us have ever taken economics before.  Amazing, I have a masters degree (soon to be doctorate), but I never took a single economics class.

Yep, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

 EDIT:  And, in case my response sounds harsh, let me put it another way....

I OWN a PS3, and I have no desire to see it orphaned by a bankrupted Sony.

EDIT EDIT:  I'd buy a dozen!!!

 

kingofwale said:
this has to be the dumbest post I've seen in a long time.

Yes, I can come up with a million "this would help" methods and none of them will work beause we don't live in the fantasy land.

and rule that is driving this world. MONEY. You don't think Sony wants to sell PS3 for 299???? Well, who pay the money for such a huge loss?

Who's going to pay for the money for BC and loss of revenue from PS2?



Until you are ready to write checks to Sony giving them a huge financial aids. I advice this kind of "arm-chair advisor" to just "Shut the hell up"

 

 You know your pro-PS3 post is crap when both Crazzy and KOW denounce it.

 



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Esmoreit said:
Crazymann said:
EvilChronos said:

This is the easiest way for sony to win. 3 simple things that could win it all for them. They know it, we know it, microsoft and nintendo know it but for some reason it STILL has not happened. Heres hoping for next year...

1. Complete software driven backwards compatibility for all ps2 and ps1 games. "that means downloading patches and updates that let u play ps2 and ps1 games for those who dont know".

2. A ps3 80 gig model bundled together in 1 box with Little big planet, dual shock controller, hdmi cable. All for the reasonable price of 299.99.

3. Stop production of the ps2. "the ps3's biggest competitor/enemy is its own brother"

Those 3 very simple and not to god awfully expensive things would certainly catapult sony into 1st place within a year of these things being done/released. So the question is why doesnt sony just bite the bullet on this one and do it. They would certainly make up the money in the end plus some. They were so scared with the money they were loosing with the ps2 "for atleast the first 4 years" for the price they sold it at but they made it back in the end plus way, way more.

Sony plz figure it out before it is too late and u start loosing developers cause its just not worth it to publish on your system.

 

1.  Yep, software emulation when the PS2 has higher memory bandwidth than PS3.  That will happen.  And it won't be expensive to research at all.

2.  Yep, Sony can afford to lose billions more on the PS3... lets do it.

3.  Yep, snuff out one of the only bright spots - revenue wise for the gaming division.  You know, because people who are just now getting around to buying a PS2 for 129 totally have the resources and inclination to by a system that (even at your price) is over twice as much with 1/100th the library.

Yep, Sony (a multi-billion dollar corporation) has never considered this strategy, but one lone champion on the internet has it... if only Sony weren't so shortsighted.

Yep, none of us have ever taken economics before.  Amazing, I have a masters degree (soon to be doctorate), but I never took a single economics class.

Yep, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

 EDIT:  And, in case my response sounds harsh, let me put it another way....

I OWN a PS3, and I have no desire to see it orphaned by a bankrupted Sony.

EDIT EDIT:  I'd buy a dozen!!!

 

kingofwale said:
this has to be the dumbest post I've seen in a long time.

Yes, I can come up with a million "this would help" methods and none of them will work beause we don't live in the fantasy land.

and rule that is driving this world. MONEY. You don't think Sony wants to sell PS3 for 299???? Well, who pay the money for such a huge loss?

Who's going to pay for the money for BC and loss of revenue from PS2?



Until you are ready to write checks to Sony giving them a huge financial aids. I advice this kind of "arm-chair advisor" to just "Shut the hell up"

 

 You know your pro-PS3 post is crap when both Crazzy and KOW denounce it.

 

Crazymann. Not Crazzyman.

 



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FishyJoe said:
Or maybe you should develop a thicker skin and learn to take criticism.

 

i give this a +10

 

i mean if you say something stupid then expect to get a response

 



 

EvilChronos said:

 

1. Complete software driven backwards compatibility for all ps2 and ps1 games. "that means downloading patches and updates that let u play ps2 and ps1 games for those who dont know".

2. A ps3 80 gig model bundled together in 1 box with Little big planet, dual shock controller, hdmi cable. All for the reasonable price of 299.99.

3. Stop production of the ps2. "the ps3's biggest competitor/enemy is its own brother"

 

 

... in other words... shooting a bullet in its own foot ?



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

DKII said:
And a few months later Sony would declare bankruptcy. ;>

 

 this

 



mesoteto said:
FishyJoe said:
Or maybe you should develop a thicker skin and learn to take criticism.

 

i give this a +10

 

i mean if you say something stupid then expect to get a response

 

So true.

Especially when someone throws their opinion out there like it's a fact. I mean, using words like "certainly" and opening their thread with "This is the easiest way for sony to win. 3 simple things that could win it all for them. They know it, we know it, microsoft and nintendo know it but for some reason it STILL has not happened. "

Seriously, think before you type. You're entitled to your opinion and I respect that, but try to make it a little more obvious that it is, after all, an opinion.

 



Plaupius said:
NightstrikerX said:
To turn this thread into a positive, lets look at logical idea's to turn the playstation 3 around, without having to spend a ton of money, or drop the price. Lets not aim for number 1, but instead lets aim to take the xbox 360 down a notch.

1 - Playstation Home - Like second life, this has potential to become huge. Very huge, its already here, it just needs tweaking according to many people's opinions. Sell virtual space to companies who wish to expand their business to the virtual world, much like second life.

Another idea for PlayStation home is allow for a virtual marketplace, allowing people to trade levels in LittleBigPlanet, game records, show off trophies, compete in tournaments. Do MUCH more than a little virtual dance club.

What I love about PlayStation home is that it's already here, and its in its very base form. I can see it being upgraded cheaply and being able to pull in VAST amounts of numbers, epically if it is marketed towards corporations who wish to expand their presence throughout virtual-space.

2 - Sackboy, Sackboy is Sony's new mascot right? Its been established. Alot of people find him adorable, alot of people find him creepy. It doesn't matter what your opinion of him is, Sackboy represents the Playstation 3. Thus, Sackboy should make many, many appearances in other Sony Games. If not to boost the sales of LittleBigPlanet, but to allow the establishment of new titles without the risk of sales being below 1million.

3 - Bundle, Sony should bundle something with the 399.99 80gig model. It doesn't need to be fancy, or expensive. Xbox 360 pro comes bundled with Kung-Fu Panda where I'm at. Kung-Fu Freaking...Panda. Does this change the value of the 299.99 Xbox console? Yes, I've still seen Xbox 360 pro's sold at 299.99 without the bundled in game. While the price remains the same, the value does not.

People enjoy value with their purchase. They like seeing a little extra for their money, thus if the 399.99 playStation 3 came with something from 07'... say, resistance 1. It'll not only boost sales to Resistance 2, but it'll boost playstation 3's sales without much cost towards Sony.

I've never taken a economic class in my life, all I know is what I understand from you guys and what reading these forums taught me over the years. So I hope these ideas have merit, if not. Let me know, I'm open to criticism.

Those are not bad ideas, IMO. Home could have potential for something much bigger, it just needs to allow two things: user created content and user-to-user microtransactions. I don't have a PS3 nor have I read up on Home, so I don't know if either of those two are possible, and if so to what extent. But regarding Second Life, the "killer feature" is your ability to make something and then sell it to other users. Very few things motivate people more than the possibility to earn money from what you like doing anyway. Once you get a few success stories of people making a level/clothes for avatars/whatever and earning a few thousand dollars from it, the floodgates will open. Since the PS3 is connceted to your TV, Home could become a new medium for all kinds of new content, and it might cross the boundary from "geeky computer stuff" to "everybody can enjoy it", something that even Second Life hasn't really managed to do.

Regarding your two other points, it would be cool to have your Sackboy as a playable character in Tekken and the likes, and I'm pretty sure it would benefit Sony greatly if they indeed did all they can to push Sackboy into as many games as possible. I don't mean it has to be a playable character, but just make an appearance in one form or another.

And about the bundles, IMO it would be a very smart move to bundle the first game in a series and thus get more people to buy the following parts. They could perhaps do it at cost so as to not actually lose any money. Which makes me wonder, how much would a PS3 bundled with, say, Motorstorm and Resistance 1 cost if Sony set the price at break even for them?

Thanks for your opinion, alot of people have said that LittleBigPlanet should be bundled in with the playstation 3. I highly disagree, what we've both mentioned sounds like a better idea. For many reasons, the most obvious one is price. LittleBigPlanet currently retails at 59.99 where I am, I'm sure it varies from region to region. But since the price hasn't gone down any, it's still worth alot of money to sell at 59.99. Other games like Motorstorm, Resistance, Etc. have gone down in price. Thus its safer to bundle with the 399.99 playstation 3, not have to reduce the price to 349.99. But still experience a slight boost to sales. Thus, when they do feel safe enough to reduce the price, the impact will be even greater.

Thats my opinion on why Resistance, Motorstorm, other 07 titles should be bundled.

 



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