GT4P sold less than a million copies, so now GT4 isnt going to pass 4 million= your logic.

It's too late for a Sony comeback now. Being beaten by at least 200,000 units by all the other consoles is a very bad sign for them. No one likes Sony or their games anymore.

On MGS4's release week, the PS3 outsold the Wii.

PS3: 335,964, up from 150,972 the previous week (+184,992)

Wii: 332,997, down from 363,526 the previous week.

X360: 118,463, down from 124,888 the previous week.

I say that's a pretty massive boost.

Now, let's look at sales from earlier games in the series, shall we?

MGS: 5.59 million

MGS2: 5.58 million

MGS3: 4.01 million, sold 721 last week.

Very good sales, no doubt, but look at this:

Gran Turismo: 10.85 million, best selling PS1 exclusive.

GT2: 9.37 million

GT3: 14.87 million, best selling PS2 exclusive.

GT4: 9.52 million, sold 2,863 last week.

Gran Turismo will have a much larger boost than MGS4. We are talking Halo-sized here. Maybe bigger.

And yes, GT5P has outsold GT4P. Aha, you say, but GT4P wasn't released in America. Yes, but Japan and Others sales for GT5P, NOT COUNTING PSN sales, have exceeded GT4P. This may be partly because there was already a GT on the PS2, but I think the fact that GT5P is still selling, having crossed the 2 million, perhaps even 3 million mark, is pretty impressive, considering it is a demo.

Do you seriously believe this bit "The majority of people with Forza got it with their system last holiday season and probably never played it."?

I have bought systems before with bundled games, never have I just abandoned a game without playing it much.

wow, Most of forza sales, are not from bundled,

ok simple math
just add all sales from racing games on xbox 360 whether multiplat or exclusive, also do the same thing on ps3, the differences will be huge.

if recent PS3 exclusive sales is any indication, then maybe KZ2, or GT5 will be not that huge either. it will have good sales, but won't have sales like it hype to be.


the problem, PS3 demographic is not the same as PS2 demographic before, look at Motorsotrm, do you believe a good game like that have sales sooooo bad, do you thing PS3 user if came from PS2, need some racing games,

same thing happen to JRPG, PS3 have many RPG lately, even if it is a port, even at Japan the sales is terrible.

so what they want.

Why should recent PS3 exclusive sales be any indication? There's a new, 2D IP; a niche SJRPG; and a very good shooter which sold a lot better than its predecessor. Which we do not have Others data for yet.

Not to mention the install base will be much higher after the holiday season is over.

As you can see from my previous post, the Gran Turismo games on PS1 and PS2 both sold exceptionally well, and the Prologue has sold extremely well too. GTA4 can only fairly be compared to GTA3, because they have been released at the same point in the console cycle. GTA3 and GTA4 have near identical sales, looking at both platforms, so that shows that having a smaller install base does not necessarily mean that sales will be greatly affected.

GTA4 (PS3) has crossed 4 million

MGS4 will cross 4 million

CoD4 (PS3) will cross 4 million

Resistance 2 will likely cross 4 million

GT5 will not be alone in very good sales, although it will sell far higher than any of these. Only GTA exceeded GT's sales last gen, and due to the current gen release, GTA IV, being same-day released on PS3 and 360, sold far less than it could have on PS3, had it been timed exclusive like in the past.

Conclusion: GT5 will be huge. >8 million sales LTD, and a massive hardware boost. I very much doubt it will cross 10 million, though.

What do you think the attachment rate would be if it sold 8million units?  For every 3 or 4 PS3's out Sony sells 1 unit of GT5? 

I don't see that happening at all for a couple of reasons.  1) Racing games clearly aren't as popular as they once were, atleast here in the states.  2) The attachment rate would have to be too high for the game to sell 8 million units.  Even in a few years it would still be at best 1:4 or 1:5 and I don't see that happening.

If Sony bundles it up it may hit 3.5-4.5 million.  And if it doesn't get bundled it may hit 3 million. (Which is a great # for most games)

hmmm not sure it will happens looking at the poor sales it did since its release.

Posted the info on swedish forum that the 360 sells better than the PS3 in Europe and had vgchartz as the source but people do not accept this and saying vgchartz is not a reliable site and so on. Is there other links I can use proving that this is true?

We'll see after this week's Others sales get put up.