I know what your saying, but every few months the broadband industry gets better and better. Here in the UK they are trialing 60 mb broadband. 20 mb is now easy to come by and very cheap. I'm on 10 mb broadband for les than £10/month.

I have read the reviews of BLU RAY and watched a few. They are impressive. But I would rather have thousands of films to hand, as opposed to spending thousands replacing my 400 DVD collection in BLU RAY.

Why do people say that the PS3 still can beat the 360 in the US, but not comment on my calculation that shows it's statistically almost impossible for the PS3 to catch the 360.

In addition, the 360's price cut is starting to cancel out the gains made by the PS3 during last Christmas. If this goes on, they might cancel out the gains made by the PS3 during MGS4's launch.

they cant see unless they open their eyes but like teh child afraid of teh boggy man they willl keep holding to the dreams under the covers where al gore was elected pres and we have flying cars powered by teh cell

Personally, I think anyone who decides to replace their entire DVD collection are the exception.  Why would I need to replace my (actually my wife's) copy of "When Harry Meets Sally"?  Also, I'm a fan of the 70's sitcom "The Jeffersons."  I see no point in waiting and owning that series in Blu-Ray.  But almost everything new I buy is on Blu-Ray now while there are a nice handful of titles I will replace such as Spider-man and upcoming older releases such as Lord of the Rings. It's also encouraging me to buy classics I've never entirely seen such as Close Encounters and 2001 Sapce Odyssee.

EDIT: Oh, and about the broadband industry...  I can get HD surround sound NOW with the extras on a Blu-Ray disc.  Something you are NOT getting with Netflix streaming if I understand correctly.  And there is no need to see things so one-sided.  Yes, the broadband industry has and will be better, but that applies to most all industries.  It happened to VHS, DVD, and it's happening to Blu-ray right now.  It's not as clear cut as "BLU RAY is not a selling point in America anymore."

well being an old timer myself, i always felt it was a stretch for the ps3 to pass the 360 in the stats and have stuck by that, but by no means does that mean the ps3 is doomed.....

I will say i miss the threads where people wrote off NA for the ps3, then wrote off the 360 in japan (they said it would never hit  1 million) and said europe/others would decided the console race. havent seen many of those recently 

the wii is not counted because its not an interesting part of the race, we all know where the wii is headed. so why talk about it? where the race could still change is the 360/ps3 much like last gen the xbox/gc was what was fun to talk about, because every one new neither would beat the ps2

Wii should be counted because as I've always said $250 on a Wii is that much less to buy somethine else.  This is contrete, not abstract.  It also helps keep the 360 and PS3 fanboys in their place, but then again, there will always be those who are lost forever.  I sure hope not.

Okay. I'll rephrase that. I shouldn't say a different market but rather a different segment of the market. Much like movies have those marketed to kids or male adults or women and sometimes everyone. The Wii was after a segment of the market that hadn't been exploited and they knew could have huge gains.

MS threw around the idea of that segment (the casuals) at the beginning of the 360's life. Xbox Live Arcade was supposed to be the appeal to draw in that segment, but failed to have the impact that the Wii did. So for the first 2-3 years MS focused on taking marketshare away from the PS3. And now, they're making their attempt at cashing in on some of the segment the Wii has attracted.

It's pretty basic. The PS3 and 360 keep flip flopping in sales because they pretty much offer the same thing. Once one of these formats becomes more defined and suceeds in taking over the other, that winner will set it's sight on the Wii's audience. It will NOT be able to overtake it this generation, but it will certainly get a piece of the pie.

its not that its abstract or concrete, it simply has to do with fun and plausibility. right now it is not plausible for either of the HD consoles to outsell the wii at almost any price, the people arguing in the thread (most of them anyway) realize this. so they have moved onto a topic of debate that is still up in the air. this gives them leverage to make hypothesis for others to debate. 

now if you want the wii involved the question becomes can the hd consoles somehow maintain 50% market share? you could go open that thread.

but in here the battle is for second and third, with lively debate on each side, and the wii dose not enter into it because it will not end up in third or second