While that's true that Killzone 2 is being promoted as a graphics powerhouse, there are still nothing but glowing previews from people that have demoed it and say the gameplay keeps pace. The graphics are merely a marketing tool in this case that may end up drawing people into a vey deep game. Sony knows how to sell it.

On the overall topic, I don't think this is any more true than any generation. We've always had games known more for their flash than gameplay because of how great the graphics are. Does no one remember the eye ogling of Mortal Kombat, Donkey Kong Country, F-Zero, Star Fox, Vector Man, Comix Zone and many others? Sure, but they're also known for their amazing gameplay.

Ace Combat? Soul Calibur? Tekken (I don't like this one). Tales is the best for me, followed my Ace Combat!

More Namco Stuff Pac-Man, Galaxian, Klonoa, Rally-X, Galaga, Bosconian, Dig Dug, Pole Position, Xevious, Mappy, Soul series, Time Crisis, Tekken, Taiko no Tatsujin, Tales series, Xenosaga, Ace Combat, Katamari Damacy and Ridge Racer.

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Please play Abyss and Vesperia and then say the same thing.

I'm disappointed in you outlawauron, I thought you had vesperia. What did you find bad about it?

I agree. Racing and sports games are the best examples of this. The older ones are forgotten as soon as a newer version comes out with better graphics and physics. Relying on the technical aspect guarantees the game will become dated once the technology advances.

One game that will be remembered is Portal

I disagree with that opinion, and I feel it is a misconception, and a generalization born from lack of information.

You can't acknowledge an opinion. You can agree with one. IMO, Xenosaga is not a great, or even good rpg franchise.

Stop acting like your opinion, based off very little knowledge and very much assumption, is a generally accepted fact.

You wanna argue about it, you can give me your top 50 best jrpgs on the PS2, and I'll give you mine. For your information, however, Symphonia is a cult classic.

Then I can tell you how it's ignorant to generalize a broad group of games without playing them.

Certainly the Tales of series ranges in quality, but generalizing such a great franchise is criminal. Especially when the top end of said ranging is in the "excellent" category.

Your comments about the Tales series in this post have been ignorant even if they were correct(which it is my opinion that they are not), if for no other reason: Generalizing. I acknowledge that, because it's a fact.

I'm fairly certain that he liked Vesperia a lot. My guess is either we either misunderstood his meaning, or he's speaking more generally about the series as a whole(which admittedly has a lot of games, some of them bad), and not particularly about Vesperia, Symphonia, or Abyss.

I'd assume the 3 "good" ones he's referring to are Abyss, Symphonia, and Vesperia. They are all developed by the same team, indeed the only games ever developed by said team, and they are masterful. If those three games were the only ones in the series, then I'd say the Tales series only superior would be Final Fantasy. However, there have been many mediocre entries, that we can't forget about when ranking the series.

That is another reason generalizing a large group of games because of a few bad eggs, is ignorant, and leads to less informed gamers.

"I don't like JRPGs because the genre hasn't evolved and the stories and gameplay suck comapared to shooters, and the characters are all anime-ish and childish."

Then Vagrant Story pops its head around the corner and laughs at your ignorance.

Generalizing a series with tons of games that you've never played is like generalizing a genre. Ignorant. Ignorant to the bone. It's like me saying MGS4 is a second-class game because all stealth games suck, even though I'd never played MGS before. It's that same level of ignorance that has drawn my ire here. An unbelievable atrocity that can't stand, and there's no way the argument could stand up to any sort of scrutiany, as you'll see if this post progresses further.

Although it's not my favorite game (it's my second favorite), I think Portal will never be forgotten. Fantastic in every sense of the word.

@Zen what about Phantasia and Eternia ;_;. The only mediocre one to me is Legendia, and the rest of the mothership titles never made out of Japan . I don't count escort titles though because I view them like I view Mario Super Sluggers, Mario Soccer, Mario and Sonic Olympics.

@Aceevil thanks for the list I actually meant RPGs since I was responding to Akuma but the list only solidifies the fact that besides Tales there aren't any decidingly better RPG franchises for Namco.