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RolStoppable said:

3 weeks ago Legend11 posted an article from Dave Halverson of the Play Magazine in which the editor in chief states that Nintendo's new strategy is to go for your mom and abandon the core gamer market. I commented on this issue that this article is just the opinion of the editor and that he will be proved wrong. Here's the link to said thread:

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=0&id=3480

What then happened was that several members of this forum ganged up against me, because in no way could I, a dedicated Nintendo gamer, know more about Nintendo's strategy then a journalist that was invited to Nintendo's media summit. My statements were:

"Nintendo won't abandon the core gamer market."

At their E3 press conference Nintendo stated the core gamer market is still an essential part of their userbase and that they will continue to make core games themselves and support 3rd parties to bring core games to Wii and add online functionality (EA is the prime example here), which was a concern for many core gamers as well.

"Mario Kart Wii is coming."

Nintendo announced Mario Kart for Wii on E3, the game is going to be released worldwide in Q1 2008 with online multiplayer.

"I know more about Nintendo and their strategy than the editor in chief who wrote the article for the Play Magazine."

Apparently I do.

"Just because analysts and journalists are paid to pay attention to the videogame market and its trends, doesn't mean that they can't be wrong from time to time."

That should be a no brainer, really.

So who is going to eat crow? Here is the list of people that were proved wrong on one or several points:

  • Dave Halverson, editor in chief of the Play Magazine
  • Legend11
  • ckmlb
  • Diomedes1976
  • konnichiwa
  • gebx
  • Celb
Dolla Dolla, please serve them some crow.
Did you even watch Nintendo's E3 presentation?  That was some of the most shameless promotion to casual gamers that I have seen from Nintendo to this very day.  The strategy seems to be working for them, so w/e, but please do not act like they are as committed to the dedicated gamers out there as they used to be.

 



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Haha. You know, in parts of the UK crow is slang for snot!

This thread is actually a lot less disgusting than I thought it might be.



Avalach21 said:

Wait... I don't see why GBallzack has to eat crow? From what you just quoted, she was actually quite insightful in what she said. In fact, what she said was very true. She hasn't been proven wrong at all.

 

She never siad that the PS3 wouldn't recieve a pricedrop, she merely listed the repercussions the pricedrop would cause. Even if she did elsewhere in the thread say that a Sony pricedrop would not occur, I would be far more impressed if the repercussions she stated did occur when the pricedrop did happen. Thusfar, she is correct. Now we wait...


Gballzack has vehemently stated time and time again that Sony would not cut the PS3 price this year because of all those reasons. And, after the price cut, it seems the stock has been moving pretty briskly, at least from the Amazon watch. If you want, I can dig up the original thread where she stated time and time again it wouldn't get a price cut.

If you've been around, you know she deserves this crow lol 



Dolla Dolla said:

If you've been around, you know she deserves this crow lol


 Hell yes !



Dolla Dolla said:
Avalach21 said:

Wait... I don't see why GBallzack has to eat crow? From what you just quoted, she was actually quite insightful in what she said. In fact, what she said was very true. She hasn't been proven wrong at all.

 

She never siad that the PS3 wouldn't recieve a pricedrop, she merely listed the repercussions the pricedrop would cause. Even if she did elsewhere in the thread say that a Sony pricedrop would not occur, I would be far more impressed if the repercussions she stated did occur when the pricedrop did happen. Thusfar, she is correct. Now we wait...


Gballzack has vehemently stated time and time again that Sony would not cut the PS3 price this year because of all those reasons. And, after the price cut, it seems the stock has been moving pretty briskly, at least from the Amazon watch. If you want, I can dig up the original thread where she stated time and time again it wouldn't get a price cut.

If you've been around, you know she deserves this crow lol 


She predicted that the stock would move briskly for a time, and then all of the repercussions would fall into action.  Let's wait and see...



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Given the "downward" revision of the Xbox 360 numbers, MS refusal to match the price drop and assuming Nintendo moves enough consoles in July, how close does John Lucas have to be to "not eat crow". Hang in there, John. It may be closer than everyone thinks.



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Parokki said:
Hmm... have I made any predictons that proved false? I still think there's a chance that the PS3 never hits 30 million, but that's far from proven one way or the other.

The guy who's saying the PS3 will beat Xbox sales this year, and Wii halfway through 2008 should really start practicing the fine skill of bird consumption.

What he is saying is that PS3 sales will pass 360 and Wii sales weekly by that time. Not overall. After Halo 3 sales die down, then Sony can start making up ground against Microsoft.



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akuma587 said:

>>but please do not act like they are as committed to the dedicated gamers out there as they used to be.



Avalach21 said:
Dolla Dolla said:
Avalach21 said:

Wait... I don't see why GBallzack has to eat crow? From what you just quoted, she was actually quite insightful in what she said. In fact, what she said was very true. She hasn't been proven wrong at all.

 

She never siad that the PS3 wouldn't recieve a pricedrop, she merely listed the repercussions the pricedrop would cause. Even if she did elsewhere in the thread say that a Sony pricedrop would not occur, I would be far more impressed if the repercussions she stated did occur when the pricedrop did happen. Thusfar, she is correct. Now we wait...


Gballzack has vehemently stated time and time again that Sony would not cut the PS3 price this year because of all those reasons. And, after the price cut, it seems the stock has been moving pretty briskly, at least from the Amazon watch. If you want, I can dig up the original thread where she stated time and time again it wouldn't get a price cut.

If you've been around, you know she deserves this crow lol 


She predicted that the stock would move briskly for a time, and then all of the repercussions would fall into action.  Let's wait and see...


I agree with Avalach on this one. GBallzack never stated that Sony would not drop the price. She just stated that they shouldn't because it would put added financial pressure on Sony. (Something long the lines of what I have been thinking) You claim that she "vehemently stated time and time again that Sony would not cut the PS3 price this year " but you have yet to quote here on an actual post where she states this. Please provide a link to a post were she states that Sony "will not cut the price before 2008" instead of "should not cut the price before 2008" and I will take back my last comments.

Stop referring to the PS3 announcement as a price drop.  If Sony doesn't consider it a price drop why should we?  On G4 Tretton said he was surprised "the media referred to it that way".  PS3 is the same price as at launch come August - $499/$599.  At best, it is a 1 month pricedrop until the new SKU arrives - and even that is likely to clear out excess inventory.

Adding extra gig doesn't cost much (if anything).  They are basically offsetting the cost of PS3 by throwing in a $60 game and pretending the improved gig is worth $40.

Referring to the new pricing structure as a price drop is not really accurate in my mind. 



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