Ahhh Kwaad... your like the best friend in High School who jumped all over the SNES for being less powerful then the Genesis...  LOL sometimes you make me crack up...  As long as you enjoy your games...  No one can dictate to anyone what their tastes should be.  Keep it real! ;)

Do you still think that the PS3 will come back from last place and take the lead?  I say as long as it keeps getting great games... then sales don't matter.  Got Ninja Gaiden Sigma preordered?   

 Actually no I dont. I dont care for that type of game. Darkness kicks total ass tho.

 E3 will show why the PS3 is worth it. I dont feel like listing stuff anymore. Not worth my time. Still got to beat Darkness, Enchanted Arms, Beat Demonlord12 in motorstorm more, and beat SuperStarDustHD, and send more gay porn pictures to TK on my PS3... And download some more porn to the PS3 as well. So much to do, so little time.

I wasn't asking for a list, in fact I wasn't putting down the PS3 at all... it's like I said to you before... I will probably get a PS3 myself at some point. So the more games the better.

So... how come your looking at Gay porn on the PS3? LOL does your wife block out all the lady's?

I realize I speak only for myself, but I won't even bother considering a PS3 until it hits a $200 price point.

More games I want would help too, the only game out for PS3 I would definitely buy is Armored Core 4 right now. Currently it's just a console that's not offering me the games I want to play, even by the end of the year, so why should I consider it?

PS3 is unanimously the least appealing Sony console to date. I personally wouldn't buy one until they released an update version that didn't need firmware fixes that cost less than $300 and HD-TVs were affordable. Even then there are no games I want for it yet besides MGS4 and I can live without that.

I'm not saying that Nintendo will not increase production.  But, if they ever go to 55M / year production, it will not be before 2010.  Is the DS doing well? Is the DS-Lite doing better?  If so, why has it not seen the ramp that you've projected for the Wii?  The answer is that Nintendo is a conservative company.

Your projections assume several things that are hard to support:

1. Elastic supply - Nintendo is a risk averse company.  No matter how successful a product is, it will not increase year on year production by > 50%.  Which is why I say that it cannot achieve 55M/year until ~2010

2. Multiple console / household a common phenomenon - NO. A draw of the Wii is that it is a supplement to family activities. Having multiple Wiis / household detracts from that.  There will be many multi-Wii households, but don't expect that to account for a small fraction of the Wii sales.  DS, by its handheld nature and low price is now showing the number of households that exists for gaming market.  To have a significantly larger market than the DS is rather unreasonable

3. Wii having a significantly longer life than 5 years.  If you consider a possible WiiHD update to be Wii, then it might be stretched out by a year or so.  But, historically, Nintendo has not let console gen go > 5-6 yrs. Wii shall be no exception.  Console industries is a innovation driven industry, to expect no innovation for > 5-6 yrs is naive.

I can see Wii > 120M if the above factors go in favor of the Wii on a very optimistic level. But 240M goes beyond reasoned optimism and into the realm of sheer faith. I admit to being a Wii cheerleader, but a realistic one

Remember, it still has a number of things going against it.

1. It has no franchises that does not have "kiddie stuff" stigma

2. No HD (impacts longevity), tho should not be an issue till 2010/2011

There's other stuff, but the cheerleader in me is blocking it atm :P

In short, there is a number of things that Nintendo needs to overcome, and chances are it will do it with a next gen console to replace the Wii.  Hurting its chances to even reach 120M

2. Multiple console / household a common phenomenon - NO. A draw of the Wii is that it is a supplement to family activities. Having multiple Wiis / household detracts from that.  There will be many multi-Wii households, but don't expect that to account for a small fraction of the Wii sales.  DS, by its handheld nature and low price is now showing the number of households that exists for gaming market.  To have a significantly larger market than the DS is rather unreasonable

 True, but take the following into account: The Wii is real popular in the media and stuff right now, and Nintendo is doing good effort to keep it that way. Seen the cheap price of the Wii, very much households, that wouldn't even consider buying a console as expensive as xbox360/PS3, (which on top of the price are far too high tech looking and difficult in use for people who have just learned how to use the dvd-player) will be buying a Wii. Because it looks fun, because even they can understand and use it, or simply because it's modern to have one. On top of that, families much rather trust their kids with a friendly looking console, that tends to have more all-age games then bloody 18+ games full of violence (or at least the reputation it has less, the Nintendo gamecube for example actually had neigh as much mature as the ps2..). The Wii and Nintendo have a much more appealing reputation to non hardcore gaming people then Sony and Microsoft, which tend to rather frighten off the group with their marketing strategies.

Seen the fact that the hard-core game market is already split into diverse groups (egg Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, PC, handhelds) the possibilities of winning new customers in this market are small, and the amount of customers you can find in the family market is big. This is going to be a big trump for Nintendo.

3. Wii having a significantly longer life than 5 years.  If you consider a possible WiiHD update to be Wii, then it might be stretched out by a year or so.  But, historically, Nintendo has not let console gen go > 5-6 yrs. Wii shall be no exception.  Console industries is a innovation driven industry, to expect no innovation for > 5-6 yrs is naive.

True, but note that the market I described above cares much less for HD and graphics then the hard-coregamer market does.

Huh? It looks like your reading a different post than what I wrote.

Wrt 2. I meant there would be fewer MULTI-Wii households than Johnlucas would expect for his prediction to come to be.  I said nothing of lack of appeal to families.  In fact, if anything, I said that families would like the Wii because it's a supplement to family activity.

Wrt 3. This is an issue of console longevity not directly related to HD capability.  I'm just observing that Nintendo has not let console generations last longer than 5 or 6 years.  They'll add new feature / gameplay capability and create a new console.  It will probably have Wii compatibility. But it would be a next gen console and not the Wii, so I'm saying that the sales of the Wii would be capped when that happens

Alright people. I've held my tounge long enough. I'll let you in on the truth. There are two reasons why this generation has already been decided.

Fully agree, just at this:

Japanese people say PSwii instead of PSthree, that's why PS3 does better than 360 in Japan.